2019-20 Offseason Rumors & Player Movement Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Ismitje, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Failed one too many drug test it appears.

    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/po...tland-timbers-terminated-substance-abuse-mls/
     
  2. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. The only thing that really justifies this is if Portland wanted to keep him and somehow work with him to help him rehabilitate and the league said no, he needs to go. But even then you can't let a team just walk away from a DP contract scot free. And yes I speak as a Rapids fan who had to watch the team eat the Ramirez and Gashi contracts. :D
     
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  4. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    My best guess here is that it was built into the contract from the get-go since his history with substance abuse were known before the contract was signed.
     
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  5. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “Don’t do drugs” is in every contract.

    What you’re describing would literally incentivize signing more druggie headcases because if they fail you get away clean and nullify their deal. As opposed to signings like Gio where you get burned if they decide to stop caring. That can’t be policy.
     
  6. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Judging by what I can piece together from a couple articles and comments on a paywalled article I think this is because of Necaxa and Fernandez hiding to what extent there was a drug problem. There are people that said it was widely reported in Mexico that he had a problem. If MLS/Timbers addressed this during transfer negotiations and they were lied to then that would be a pretty big issue. For instance, they could have been provided falsified medical documents to hide the true extent of his issues. Again, that is conjecture but it seems that there is enough either in contracts or somewhere else that MLS believes it not only has the right to terminate his contract but to go after Necaxa (since it is reported that MLS is suing them).

    As for it being policy? It sure is. 20.2 (ii)(b)(i) on page 60 of the CBA states it, whereas 18.6 (a) specifically says a guaranteed contract can't be terminated due to the quality of a player's on-field performance.
     
  7. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
  8. jeffclimbs

    jeffclimbs Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Wonder which of the two is going to pick up the unprotected Nick Rimando.... :confused:
     
  9. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is Charlie Lyon, what is an MLS pool GK and why does such a position exist?

    TBH, this is the first I'm hearing of him/this. Why does the league carry a pool GK?
     
  10. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If teams are down to just 1 goalkeeper they can call the league goalkeeper in to fill in for the team. He trains throughout the season with 1 team (not sure which team it was for Lyon). It's how Tim Melia ended up with Kansas City originally.
     
  11. jeffclimbs

    jeffclimbs Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Looks like he's been training with the Timbers this year. There used to be more pool goalkeepers: 4 in 2007, 5 in 2008-09; 3 in 2010-2012; 2 in 2013. Now just 1. With teams operating USL teams, they're just not needed much any more. Anyone know when the last time a pool keeper actually saw the field in an MLS match?
     
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  12. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Like the others have said, it is to cover if a team has a rash of goalkeeper injuries. The Union actually had Lyon on the team this year for a bit.

    https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/p...ia-union-add-mls-pool-goalkeeper-charlie-lyon

    The NHL actually has a rule for goalkeeper as well though it is on a game by game and city basis.

     
  13. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    I recall reading somewhere a while back that this was the case or possibly someone speculated correctly that this was the case. He obviously had issues, so it wouldn't be surprising if they specifically negotiated this contingency.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Castillo and Rowe both exposed. The Rapids traded Castillo straight up for Rowe last December, then immediately flipped Rowe and $200K/$100K of GAM/TAM for Rubio. Rubio went on to be a double-digit scorer while the other two are unwanted.
     
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  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Crew has had the pool keeper on the gameday 18 at various times in our existence.

    Think about it. Many teams only carry 3 GKs. Some 4.

    Injury + call-up + red card combination (or just 2 if you are carrying 3) and you are down to one keeper.

    So instead of having to cut someone due to a short-term keeper shortage, teams call in the pool keeper.

    It does not happen often, but it does happen.
     
  16. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Back in 2006 or 7, the Crew went through more than half a dozen keepers that year and we had the emergency keeper training with us for several months.
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now Rapids GK coach Chris Sharpe is largely considered to have been part of the 2010 MLS Cup winning team but technically he wasn't, he was a league pool GK that year that lived in Denver and trained with the Rapids when he wasn't needed by another team. To the Rapids credit, they treated him as part of the team all year, including having him with the team in Toronto for the game despite their signed two keepers (Pickens & Joyce) being healthy and available.
     
  18. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Daniel Lovitz is starting for the USMNT today.

    He was also traded from Montreal to Nashville for $50k in GAM, $50k in TAM, and an international roster spot in 2020.

    That seems pretty cheap to me.
     
  19. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    His contract is up and he's not going to be making $100K anymore. MLS has historically allowed national team regulars (he should thank Berhalter as I would be playing someone else) to get paid around market rate (or even more when bring a guy back for marketing reasons like Dempsey, Bradley, Howard etc.). So International spot plus $100K is wash in under the cap that allows Henry to pick someone he knows and Nashville gets a known commodity. Win for both.
     
  20. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good context, thanks.
     
  21. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #46 JasonMa, Nov 20, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2019
    No official announcement yet but multiple reports that Philly has sent Austin Trusty to Colorado for $300K in TAM this year and $300K in GAM next year. Plus another $150K in GAM next year if certain benchmarks are hit. And they retain 30% of his sell-on value, declining to 25% over time.

    There are also rumors than the Abubakar to Colorado deal is done, or nearing completion.

    EDIT: Abubakar official, $400K in GAM and a 2020 international slot

    https://www.coloradorapids.com/post...pids-acquire-defender-lalas-abubakar-columbus
     
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  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    I'd assume money and age. He is going to be 36 and at a low 500k salary. Meanwhile, Meara has been a very capable backup and someone that could be a #1 for the team and is on around a 150k contract next year. They are going to need to move on from Robles at some point and it looks like this year is their rebuild year so they may have just decided it is time.
     

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