2018 MLS Week 9 Referee Discussion

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  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The assignments for Week 9 of the 2018 Major League Soccer season:

    04/27/2018

    Vancouver Whitecaps v Real Salt Lake
    BC Place (10:30PM ET)
    REF: SORIN STOICA
    AR1: JEFF HOSKING
    AR2: CHRIS WATTAM
    4TH: DANIEL RADFORD
    VAR: ALEX CHILOWICZ

    04/28/2018

    Atlanta United v Montreal Impact
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (1PM ET)
    REF: CHICO GRAJEDA
    AR1: NICK URANGA
    AR2: JASON WHITE
    4TH: CHRISTOPHER PENSO
    VAR: JORGE GONZALEZ

    Toronto FC v Chicago Fire
    BMO Field (3PM ET)
    REF: ALAN KELLY
    AR1: BRIAN DUNN
    AR2: LOGAN BROWN
    4TH: NIMA SAGHAFI
    VAR: KEVIN TERRY JR

    Philadelphia Union v D.C. United
    Talen Energy Stadium (3:30PM ET)
    REF: ARMANDO VILLARREAL
    AR1: MATTHEW NELSON
    AR2: KYLE LONGVILLE
    4TH: ROBERT SIBIGA
    VAR: CHRISTINA UNKEL

    Columbus Crew v San Jose Earthquakes
    MAPFRE Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: FOTIS BAZAKOS
    AR1: CJ MORGANTE
    AR2: GIANNI FACCHINI
    4TH: JOSEPH DICKERSON
    VAR: YOUNES MARRAKCHI

    New England Revolution v Sporting Kansas City
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: DAVE GANTAR
    AR1: PHILIPPE BRIERE
    AR2: OSCAR MITCHELL-CARVALHO
    4TH: DREW FISCHER
    VAR: GEOFF GAMBLE

    Minnesota United v Houston Dynamo
    TCF Bank Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: TED UNKEL
    AR1: ADAM WIENCKOWSKI
    AR2: KEVIN KLINGER
    4TH: RUBIEL VAZQUEZ
    VAR: YUSRI RUDOLF

    LA Galaxy v New York Red Bulls
    StubHub Center (8:30PM ET)
    REF: ALLEN CHAPMAN
    AR1: ANDREW BIGELOW
    AR2: IAN ANDERSON
    4TH: ALEJANDRO MARISCAL
    VAR: TIM FORD

    04/29/2018

    Colorado Rapids v Orlando City
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (4PM ET)
    REF: JOSE CARLOS RIVERO
    AR1: COREY PARKER
    AR2: KYLE ATKINS
    4TH: DANIEL RADFORD
    VAR: EDVIN JURISEVIC

    New York City FC v FC Dallas
    Yankee Stadium (6:30PM ET)
    REF: ISMAIL ELFATH
    AR1: KATHRYN NESBITT
    AR2: ERIC WEISBROD
    4TH: MARCOS DEOLIVEIRA
    VAR: JORGE GONZALEZ

    Los Angeles FC v Seattle Sounders
    Banc of California Stadium (9PM ET)
    REF: KEVIN STOTT
    AR1: BRIAN POESCHEL
    AR2: CAMERON BLANCHARD
    4TH: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
    VAR: ALEX CHILOWICZ
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regular season match counts for this week's referees and assistant referees:

    VAN vs RSL: S Stoica - 74th [J Hosking - 125th, C Wattam - 3rd]

    ATL vs MTL: H Grajeda - 159th [N Uranga - 27th, J White - 63rd]
    TOR vs CHI: A Kelly - 87th [B Dunn - 97th, L Brown - 40th]
    PHI vs DC: A Villarreal - 96th [M Nelson - 94th, K Longville - 29th]
    CLB vs SJ: F Bazakos - 73rd [C Morgante - 168th, G Facchini - 65th]
    NE vs SKC: D Gantar - 56th [P Briere - 95th, O Mitchell-Carvalho - 57th]
    MIN vs HOU: T Unkel - 60th [A Wienckowski - 195th, K Klinger - 82nd]
    LA vs RBNY: A Chapman - 115th [A Bigelow - 53rd, I Anderson - 187th]

    COL vs ORL: J C Rivero - 97th [C Parker - 142nd, K Atkins - 56th]
    NYC vs DAL: I Elfath - 110th [K Nesbitt - 38th, E Weisbrod - 66th]
    LAFC vs SEA: K Stott - 316th [B Poeschel - 124th, C Blanchard - 46th]
     
  3. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    has anyone noticed any patterns with the VAR assignments, in that are certain VARs paired with certain Rs? That would make sense over the course of the season if they were pushing for team-work over consistency, but if they value consistency league-wide over teamwork, then I suppose mixing it up as much as possible would be beneficial. I know the NFL has tried it both ways, and now has a hybrid approach with the Video official part of the crew but working through a guy in NYC. Just curious if MLS is leaning one way or the other on this.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS leans toward minimizing travel costs. Every VAR this week is either in their own time zone or a pretty simple flight out of it. Last week was even more obvious as Mendez and Terry Jr. were the only two with any significant travel. So it's a de facto "mixing it up" approach.
     
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  5. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Does anyone else think that it is counter-productive that World Cup referees are not reffing games for several weeks leading up to the competition? One would think that FIFA would want the referees to have reffed a high-level game in the weeks leading up to the World Cup.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. It’s much more important that they train together for consistency’s sake. Also, remember that about 70% of the officials going don’t regularly work with VARs. So getting that technical training is far more important than a couple extra domestic league matches.

    Also, it’s not several weeks. They will be back working in May.
     
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  7. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Oh ok. I wasn’t aware that they would be back in May. Thanks.
     
  8. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I know for the 2014 WC the referee's arrived early but they were doing fitness, trainings, and getting acclimated to the conditions. Like in the other thread (UEFA referee) they have nothing to gain and something to lose if they have a controversial game like Oliver's and then head into a WC with that clout over there head.
     
  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Greg Vanney (TFC manager) did the same last night after their game v Chicago Fire.
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some changes have been made to today's assignments.

    Marcos DeOLIVEIRA takes over as referee for COL vs ORL.

    Robert SIBIGA slides in as 4th official for NYC vs DAL

    Source: R Sibiga
     
  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tail of two halves in this one. He let a lot go in the first and then cracked down in the second. Orlando did a better job of adjusting than Colorado. Have to see a replay of the collision in the 70-71st minute between Boateng(Col) and Johnson (Orl). Boateng hit the ground out could but was called for the foul, thought it could have easily been a yellow if not a red the other way, but to be fair I was sitting 6 rows deep on the other side of the field.
     
  13. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been at work so I couldn't watch too closely, especially in the second half, but it felt really obvious to me that he was thrown on the match without much preparation time.
     
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  14. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    does persistent infringement by a team against a player not exist anymore? Vela's getting whacked at every opportunity.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope so because I booked a U13 player for it this weekend. :)
     
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  16. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...ork-city-fc-vs-fc-dallas/details/video/151346

    Here was a VAR assisted handling call for a penalty in NYFC vs FCD. After the review, a penalty was given.

    FCD #3 turns his back in an attempt to block a shot from around 4 yards away. His arm extends outward while twisting around. Its brought in closer to his body at the point the ball makes contact with the forearm, but apparently not close enough to keep the "make yourself bigger" box from being checked for Elfath's point of view.

    The replay gives the appearance of his arm being thrown in the path of the the shot. That probably is what did it.
     
  17. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Good. Now go do some MLS games
     
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  18. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    You're right-- persistent infringement was removed from Law 12 in the recent changes. But that was a smart @$$ answer, as they replaced it with "persistent offences" (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes 'persistent')," and as far as I can tell, there was no change other than the wording. (And, of course, it was always USB not PI when it was different players targeting a particular opponent.)

    But in serious terms, I don't know that it has oft been used at high levels. Yes, we see it on occasion, but it has always seemed to get talked about more in the context of "how was that not enough to trigger it" than in actually observing it being enforced.
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The good book made a cameo on Instant Replay this week.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd


    Kevin Stott still refereeing MLS like it's 1996. Remarkable to not book Alonso on that tackle while he's already sitting on a caution.

    Old habits die hard I guess...
     
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  21. GearRef

    GearRef Member

    Manchester City
    United States
    Jan 2, 2018
    La Grange Park, Illinois
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad it’s the 2016-17 version
     

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