2018 MLS Week 20 Referee Discussion

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  1. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The assignments for Week 20 of the 2018 Major League Soccer season:

    07/11/2018

    New York City v Montreal Impact
    Yankee Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Alan Kelly
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4TH: JC Rivero
    VAR: Robert Sibiga

    Chicago Fire v Philadelphia Union
    Toyota Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Dave Gantar
    AR1: Jeff Hosking
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Fotis Bazakos
    VAR: Silviu Petrescu

    07/14/2018

    New York City v Columbus Crew
    Yankee Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Richard Gamache
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez

    New York Red Bulls v Sporting Kansas City
    Red Bull Arena (7PM ET)
    REF: Kevin Stott
    AR1: Brian Poeschel
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Victor Rivas
    VAR: Matt Franz

    Montreal Impact v San Jose Earthquakes
    Stade Saputo (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Joseph Dickerson
    AR1: Peter Manikowski
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Sorin Stoica
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr.

    New England Revolution v LA Galaxy
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Robert Sibiga
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4TH: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: Tim Ford

    D.C. United v Vancouver Whitecaps
    Audi Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Chico Grajeda
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Kathryn Nesbitt
    4TH: Jc Rivero
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi

    FC Dallas v Chicago Fire
    Toyota Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Marcos Deoliveira
    AR1: Cameron Blanchard
    AR2: Danny Thornberry
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal
    VAR: Ismail Elfath

    Minnesota United v Real Salt Lake
    TCF Bank Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Alan Kelly
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Fotis Bazakos
    VAR: Katja Koroleva

    Orlando City v Toronto FC
    Orlando City Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Michael Kampmeinert
    AR2: Cj Morgante
    4TH: Luis Guardia
    VAR: Caleb Mendez

    Colorado Rapids v Houston Dynamo
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4TH: Daniel Radford
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic

    07/15/2018

    Atlanta United v Seattle Sounders
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (2PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Nick Uranga
    4TH: Kevin Broadley
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz

    Los Angeles FC v Portland Timbers
    Banc of California Stadium (6PM ET)
    REF: Silviu Petrescu
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Ian Anderson
    4TH: Drew Fischer
    VAR: Dave Gantar
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two centers in three days for Alan Kelly. Not something you see very often.
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey guess what? Mike Petke is mad again.
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's probably a foul more often than not, but Glad just hurls himself backwards. The force of the push didn't match the reaction IMO. Tough one for the VAR.
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me it looks like the arm is already extended and then the defender sells it expecting to get the call. The arm extension doesn't match up with the defender falling down. That's probably something the VAR noticed.
     
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  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's honestly the sort of play where I'm really reluctant to reward the defender with a free kick unless I'm certain there was a careless push. The fully extended arm is probably the strongest evidence of that. The fact that the defender's reaction doesn't match the arm movement is the strongest evidence that it WASN'T careless. Put it together, and I don't see a clear and obvious error, even though I'd have probably called a foul myself.
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s not a chance in hell that would be called back at the WC. If the incidents in Spain-Portugal and Brazil-Switzerland weren’t enough for APP fouls, then almost nothing is (though there was a good chance we would have seen our first such review yesterday if Belgium scored on its counter).

    Regardless, the WC has not been the MLS standard. With the MLS standard, as it has evolved, this doesn’t come close to clearly wrong for me. Debatable, but not clearly wrong. Check complete.
     
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  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I'm curious as to if leagues will adapt and go closer to the bar of involvement (which is practically none) that we saw at this World Cup. Will leagues watch what they saw at this World Cup and say "that is how we want to use VAR."

    That will be the fascinating development of VAR as more leagues and competitions adopt it.

    Obviously there will be differences between leagues, but will it be so drastic?
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I don’t think leagues are going to go as far as the WC re SFP and VC being off the table. I think leagues see those as more importNt to control heavily over the course of a long season than the WC does over the course of a single tournament.
     
  11. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Toledo and the VAR had an interesting game to officiate today between Seattle and Atlanta.
     
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    VAR related intrigue in Atlanta? No way!
     
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  13. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Two arms to the head. One got a yellow the other nothing, just a foul(neither appeared deliberate I am fine with neither being red). A football tackle in the box that went uncalled. Not sure if both were wrestling or what. A missed head butt by a player who later scored a goal.
     
  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    So are you saying they’ve been learning from the Cup?
     
  15. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    I watched some games, didn't pay that close attention to be honest.


    Result=yellow


    result=foul, no card

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    result=VAR issued PK


    result=nothing called

    Video quality is so bad to see what happened on this one. Kim basically tackles an Atlanta player, ball hits off Bruin nearly for an own goal.

    good view at the end of this highlight
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...c-vs-seattle-sounders-fc/details/video/162875


    Result=nothing called.

    Only other noteworthy thing I can think of is that McCrary was sent off for having earned two yellows. Both yellows were good calls and pretty easy to make.
     
  16. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
  18. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That Martinez headbutt has to go before DisCo, right? How was there no card issued there at all?
     
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  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my opinion, this was the worst VAR miss so far in MLS. No excuse, because even if they didn’t get the right replay before the restart, it’s still VC. So there’s not even a technical justification for failing to punish this.
     
  21. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Maybe Webb saw the non use of VAR in the World Cup and liked what he saw. I kid of course.

    But a month of World Cup soccer has left me totally desensitized of what happened in Atlanta.

    I think it's safe to say that VAR in the World Cup only gets involved in handling offenses if that were a World Cup match.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the headbutt might be the standard that would have triggered intervention. I know Geiger’s didn’t. But this one was much more blatant, premeditated, forceful and away from any action.

    Now, if it didn’t trigger WC intervention, we’d have proof that they were basically told to ignore VC.
     
  23. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.ajc.com/sports/pro-admits-missed-penalty-atlanta-united-seattle/zjC7SWqUFQ1sqXq9TAhaNO/

     
  24. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's confirmation of one of the four incidents I felt were missed reviews. Doubt we'll get anything else confirmed publicly.
     

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