2018 MLS Week 15 Referee Discussion

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  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, I think both the referee and the VAR probably paid a bit too much attention to the direction the player was moving at the moment of the foul and too little to the direction of the ball.

    I think PRO will consider this a missed review. The ball was touched forward into wide open space in near the top of the 18. I think the attacking player was very likely to maintain possession if not for the foul. There was no one in distance to reach the ball first, not even the keeper.
     
  2. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True on all points. He's still seeking out specialists to try and get better. Until then he'll continue helping out as VAR.
     
  3. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I don't see how this is a good goal from the various incidents we've seen this year. The pendulum has swung toward helping out the defenders and giving the benefit of the doubt towards the defense.

    Either way, I think protocol was wrong here as there had to be an OFR here because it wasn't a factual decision of offside or not. It involved a subjective decision of interference.

    While I'm glad they are awarding a goal on a technicality instead of disallowing one via VAR, I don't think this decision falls within the spirit of VAR.

    No one can look at this decision and say that a decision to disallow the goal was clearly wrong and no one would expect the goal to be awarded.
     
  4. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Nitpick: No on field review was made. The VAR would have been reviewing and did not consider there was a clear error to send to the R on the field.
     
  5. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca


    Is this clear and obvious... I say not so the VAR should not have gotten involved and if he does the only straw he can possible reach for is this is a Factual error and this is not the case....
     
  6. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca

    If he reviewed and see no clear error then he cannot get involved. Check complete
     
  7. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's semantics but the point he was trying to make is that the VAR is reviewing everything, non stop, for 90 minutes.
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As far as semantics go, there's a big difference between a check and a review. :)
     
  9. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m very late to the party but I’m glad I’m not the only one perplexed by the offside decision in the FC Dallas game. At this point I’m forced to assume PRO is working from a completely different sheet of music than the rest of us when it comes to offside
     
  10. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I think we all understand the VAR terminology but that's not what he was referring to. Do I need to break down the roots, suffixes, and etymology of the word 'review' for you? :p
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, I forgot who tried to correct me earlier. ;O
     
  12. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, from a fan perspective I think this is the biggest confusion for them. They think unless the center referee goes to the monitor that nothing happened and the VAR just isn't doing anything when in fact they are re-watching **cough**reviewing**cough** anything and everything.
     
  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least during the World Cup, there will be a little "VAR Check" pop up on the screen.
     
  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    This is the point I was trying to make--when people say there was no "review" it sounds like it wasn't looked at, which is incorrect. (My nitpick was colloquial not technical use of the words--the technical use confuses more than it helps, IMO, in this context. I had no doubt that @ManiacalClown knew exactly what happened, but not true for everyone who may be reading here.)
     
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  15. funsoccer12

    funsoccer12 Member

    Oct 23, 2016
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Has the CBA every been publicly released? I have looked before and haven't been able to find it
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't believe so.
     
  17. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 2nd video includes the VAR audio which is always fun for us ref nerds.

    https://www.proassistantreferees.com/week-in-review/2018/5/12/mls-week-15-june-9

    It also shows the big difference between the World Cup and MLS. In the World Cup, AVAR2 would have already checked for a possible offside offense while VAR is checking the PK. Only having the one VAR in the leagues could lead to oversights.
     
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  18. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    If anything, it just leads to the video check taking longer as they check one thing at a time.
     

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