2018 FIFA World Cup thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. IGSpur

    IGSpur Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I think the issue here is that this squad has no clear freekick specialist, so it looks a bit of shambles where everyone stands there and thinks I'll have a go at this one.

    Even though Kane's record isn't great, in fact he hasn't scored one, he is improving and think he is the closest to semi-regular freekick taker. Dier may be a candidate having scored one, but otherwise there really isn't anyone else, so it's Young or Trippier who are used to crossing balls
     
  2. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I feel kinda sorry for their supporters though. It's always tough no matter what to lose like they did and as fans we can all relate, but I don't have any sympathy for their players except the keeper who had to come off because of the injury. His whole life led up to that match and it was over after 10 minutes.

    I think there's plenty to still be worried about. I don't think it's an excellent win. We had a good 25 minutes spell in the first half and then created one more good chance after conceding. Then in the second half we played a like a classic England in a major tournament. If Kane doesn't score that goal then we'd be here talking about how unfortunate we were and possible downplay what we did.

    However, I really believe we have an extra gear and belief that we can go and get a goal when we absolutely have to. We showed that today. I honestly never lost faith that we'd get the winner because we were putting in crosses down the right flank and if we won a corner we'd been great on corners all game long. That's what happened.
     
  3. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I would put Belgium in the mix with us not being far off in the top tier. It shouldn't have taken them more than a half to score a goal against a side like Panama. If I were Belgium then that's a worry, especially when they face England and Tunisia will give them a tougher time.
     
  4. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Probably our best option is Alexander-Arnold.
     
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  5. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The second half showed that Southgate made a mistake in leaving Wilshere and Shelvey at home . For the whole second half England passed the ball around aimlessly with no guile with nobody able to able to play the killer ball . Although England were good in the first half most of their threat came from corners . They did open up Tunisa's defense from open play a few times but against better opposition they will struggle to break them down with Henderson in midfield

    Also as well as there lack of creativity in the second half . They struggled to hold on to the ball and Tunisa were able to knock the ball around with ease at times although they struggled to break the lines . Better teams like Germany and Spain etc will be be able to break the lines and pass through them at will.
     
  6. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Bore off
     
  7. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
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  8. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I always wanted Wilshere in the squad but the main issues that accounted for the second half display were three things.

    1.) Not adapting to Tunisia’s second half system change at all. Same as against Nigeria.

    2.) As noted in the refs forum the opposition were continuously allowed to delay the game without even being told off by the ref never mind being booked. They didn’t get one booking for one of the most cynical displays you will ever see at a WC.

    3.) Manager not making changes quicker. Especially Alli who got injured very early. He should have been hooked at HT. This is arguably Southgate’s biggest flaw.

    As for when playing these better teams we will deserve to go out if we play the same way against those teams. We should play far more on the counter against better opponents and not be playing with 60% possession. Southgate was doing that at times in friendlies so let’s hope he adapts to opponents.
     
  9. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    1008785126245961728 is not a valid tweet id
     
  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
  11. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Brazil have made a complaint to FIFA about the VAR in their game.
     
  12. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I think FIFA have stood firm on that game but want to look into our game. It was always going to be our game they would have to look into :D
     
  13. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
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  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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    52,000 tweets in a minute when Kane scored the winner.
     
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  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I don't get Brazil's argument. They claim technology wasn't used, but all goals are reviewed. Their issue is surely with the match official, not VAR. Their complaint about the Jesus incident is clutching at straws.
    It may well be the same issue we have. VAR may have asked the referee to look at it and he declined. Or it may be that VAR never referred either challenge - there's no guarantee they viewed either incident (unlike with Brazil). This needs to be clarified.
    It goes back to what I've been saying - the transcripts of all discussions between the on pitch and VAR officials should be released after the match.
     
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  16. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I don’t know why they just do t check every goal after while teams celebrate

    Then show them replay on a screen to the managers on the sideline if there is an issue

    I still think we need it rugby style with a mic etc
     
  17. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
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  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Not being funny but that would take away any excitement about scoring a goal and it’s bad enough as it is
    with VAR. Under those conditions, I wouldn’t bother celebrating when the ball hits the net but instead when the ball gets to the halfway line for a kick off.
     
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  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Even reading THAT description of the process it's obvious that it takes some time. which was the point.

    Don't forget we're talking about people watching an incident without knowing where the relevant part is. They can't just go straight to the relevant part because they don't KNOW where the relevant part is... that's kinda the whole point.

    So the first stage is people finding the relevant part which will take some time and them then passing it forward for somebody ELSE who ALSO has to watch it, presumably, more than once.

    I'd say that, even in the simplest incident, we're talking about 12-20 seconds. In situations where there are multiple instances, (like a number of people grabbing and pushing others on a set piece), we're looking at a much longer period of time.

    Like I say, we just have to use the evidence of our own eyes with Kane and with the Swiss guy on the goal... the 'fouls' haven't been seen.

    QED, as they say :)
     
  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I wouldn't be surprised if we get the 2 goals chalked off for some reason and we're declared the losers :(
     
  21. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm guessing you're a glass-half-empty guy... AMIRITE?

    :giggle:
     
  22. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Yeah I'm not really disputing that they probably missed the incidents. The alternatives - either that they saw the incidents but didn't think that they were fouls, or that they were paid off - seem much less likely. But that still suggests that they're doing a very poor job of it, as the TV directors/commentators didn't miss the incidents and nor did people watching at home. They were picked up on immediately, well within the timeframe for the VAR officials to suggest a review.
     
  23. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I've seen quite a few people in the main WC forum saying FIFA and the refs are biased in favour of the European teams :eek:
    There was our game and I also thought the Germans were quite harshly treated in their first half. Quite a few fouls could have been called for them only for the ref to play on and Mexico to then counter.

    I just think it's a mix of poor reffing and players perfecting cynical approaches. Falcao just 'won' a free kick for the Colombian goal.
     
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  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Let me just check something... you're not suggesting that someone called Neville has a valid point when he says they need a 'proper director' in the booth, are yer? :eek:

    :D

    But, yeah, I agree. They should be doing better.
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ... and it will continue until they start handing out retrospective punishment.

    if he was banned from the next game then they'd bloody soon stop it.
     

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