2018 FIFA WC QLF, AFC: Group B

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  1. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    thats a poor comparison. australia lost 3-0 to spain but they played good football. they did not get good results but they played good football. also, 3-0 is nothing compared to 8-0.

    as for their 4-0 against germany yea that was bad, but again, nowhere near 8-0, plus they tied a strong ghana and beat serbia, so overall they did nowhere near as bad as saudi 2002.

    brazil 7-1 was again by a goal differential of 6, so it was clearly better than 8, but even so, it was brazils most humiliating sporting event and they got crucified for it. also, brazil was playing at home, so they could not do anything but continue attacking after each goal, which is why such a scoreline occurred. they were also missing their defensive stalwart who held the hold defense together. but brazil has 5 world cup trophies so that kind of makes up for it....

    south korea 5-0 to holland was terrible as well, but again, 5-0 is not as bad as 8-0.

    then you try to close off by bringing up an even worse performance, well yea that was worse, but saudi had the 2nd or 3rd worst defeat ever in the world cup, and probably also a top 3 worst all time campaign with 3 losses, 0 goals scored, 12 goals conceded, and i think less than 5 shots on their opponents goals over the whole campaign. bottom line is it was disastrous and the world asian world cup performance of all time by far. at least when north korea lost 7-0 to portugal they nearly tied brazil the game before that.
     
  2. almango

    almango Member+

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    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
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    Germany also put 4 past Argentina and England in that tournament and when they were hot they were very hard to hold out. Obviously too good for us in that game but our performances were pretty good in the other two, a draw against eventual quarter finalists Ghana after being a man down for most of the match and a win against Serbia (who had just beaten Germany in their previous game). Its a shame our current team isn't as good.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    From my perspective, the Saudis have a lot to thank Brazil for the latter's 7-1 loss against Germany. That result, and the way it was achieved, does make Saudi Arabia's 8:0 loss a bit more forgettable with the passage of time. Until Brazil's 7:1 loss, however, the 8:0 result was probably one of the most memorable one sided games in recent World Cup history.

    To tie that result and its reception among Iranian fans with some of the other discussions here, let me mention the following. In WC 2002 qualifiers, Iran had led its group ahead of Saudi Arabia from the first day until the last match against Bahrain, with Iran having defeated Saudi Arabia 2:0 in Tehran and drawn the Saudis 2:2 in Riyadh. It is not Saudi Arabia's fault per se that Iran ended up losing its last group match to an already eliminated Bahrain. It was not Saudi Arabia's fault that Bahrain's team, upon taking an early lead off a corner kick, engaged in all sorts of unsportsmanlike behavior, especially rolling on the grass so often and so repeatedly for most of the match that one of the commentators ended up saying: 'Until now, I thought football was played with your feet on the grass. Now I see it can be played with your back on the grass as well'. It wasn't Saudi Arabia's fault that the refereeing in that match was awful and Iran ended up with 9 men with our first red card in particular undeserved and rather curious. Nor was it per se Saudi Arabia's fault that the Saudi flag was hoisted when Bahrain won that match, with the Bahraini team running under the Saudi flag. None of that was Saudi Arabia's fault per se, but the 8:0 result was nonetheless seen by Iranian fans as just desserts that proved that the Saudi team simply didn't belong and had qualified undeservedly.
     
  4. HomokHarcos

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    Iran still did have a chance to qualify but lost to Ireland. But perhaps it should be noted that Saudi Arabia also lost to Ireland later at the World Cup.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    To expand on that: Iran lost 2:0 in Dublin (missing a couple of excellent chances to get an away goal) and beat Ireland 1:0 in Tehran (Ireland had not suffered a single loss in its UEFA qualifying campaign), with Iran losing 2:1 on aggregate. Saudi Arabia lost 3:0 to Ireland in its 2002 World Cup group without making much of an impression in that match.
     
  6. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Saudi Arabia qualified to the 1994 World Cup deservedly, including when they beat Iran 4:3 in the qualifying matches to the 1994 World Cup. That was one of the rare times when I recall feeling the Saudis were better than Iran, despite the fact that the Saudis have indeed ended up (usually undeservedly from my admittedly biased perspective) ahead of Iran in other World Cup qualifying groups we have been placed together (e.g., 1998, 2002, 2010). And for that reason, World Cup 2002 was also one of the rare tournaments where I truly rooted for Saudi Arabia and felt proud of their performance and was disappointed when they get eliminated by Sweden in the round of 16.
     
  7. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

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    The sea was silent and you again added waves by passing on this unnecessary post ..Its almost a week now and we have qualified for WC..Enjoy the occasion..
    Stop posting about who did what in previous WC..Even if Saudi NT wins WC they will still bark about 90s 80s 70s Gulf War World War Newton Wright Brothers etc etc and how they are superior to Saudi..
     
  8. rooboy91

    rooboy91 Member

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    You can't control what has happened.
     
  9. +PL+

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    You should be able to read between the lines. We praise Saudis for their successes and criticize them for their misfortunes.

    As an Iranian fan, I will appreciate and welcome Saudis among top Asian teams if you really continue to show some quality football. It will certainly add to quality of football in Asia and spice it up at least for us Iranians. We want our old strong rival back in west Asia.
     
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  10. HomokHarcos

    HomokHarcos Member+

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    Do you realize that Europeans view Iran as a weak team? They think of Iran as a team that makes the World Cup because they are in Asia.
     
  11. Perspolis#1

    Perspolis#1 Member

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    Ok?

    Fact is bookkeepers expected Nigeria to steamroll us because their CDM was a 4th string Chelsea player and the rest of their team played in relegation zone Premier League or worse. When it came down to it. CQ made Nigeria look like a track team with poor ball control and weak buildup play.

    People were talking about Argentina going into double digits against us when anything besides a Messi wonderstrike and the game ends 0-0. Forget the missed penalty call against us or Romero playing his best game in 4 years for Argentina. This is a team that made the finals had an easier time against Belgium/Bosnia/Netherlands. Each of their players had the net worth of 2x our entire team.

    You dont play the game to impress Europeans you play the game for yourself. Any of the top5 in Asia can pull off an upset against a stronger team. Its their relative inexperience that is their own worst enemy.

    See...Japan-Italy in Confederations Cup 2013... Korea-Uruguay... Iran-Yugoslavia...Iran-Argentina etc etc.
     
  12. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Very few teams, if any, who have faced Iran have come out and said Iran was an easy side to beat. Indeed, most of our opponents have had to sweat to end up beating us. But certainly until Iran advances from the group stage in the World Cup, it ultimately won't be considered a strong team. For now, anyone whose judgment is informed may consider Iran mediocre but not weak. Weak teams lose their game quickly and the result is decided early enough in the match. Except for Bosnia, which managed to head to the locker room with the lead against Iran at halftime, it took every other team Iran has faced from Wc98 onward the whole 90 minutes to beat us and none of them went into the locker room at halftime with the lead. And in our last 3 appearances (Wc98, 2006, 2014), no team defeated Iran by more than 2 goals either nor has Iran ever gone pointless in any World Cup it has participated.
     
  13. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

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    Guys at the end of the day we are talking about new generations here. The past is the past and can't be changed.

    No one can deny that teams like South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq have a rich history in Asia. Long before the likes of Uzbekistan and Australia came into AFC..

    Regardless of what happened in the past years, I respect the classic powerhouses. And therefore I wish Iran, Saudi Arabia, Japan and Korea all the best at the 2018 World Cup. Make Asia proud :)

    Oh and hopefully Syria will pull off an upset and qualify :p
     
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  14. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    #1439 Mani, Sep 12, 2017
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    The consistent reality of Saudi football in 60 seconds. Spend millions of dollars, buy the best foreign players in Asia, involve politics in sports and deprive the Iranian teams of their home matches and still get humiliated in your own backyard, losing 3-1 to an Iranian team playing with 10 men for 80 minutes. The sad faces of the Saudi fans in the stands tell it all. :(

     
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  15. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
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    lol at :56 ferdosipour saying vel nemikonan. was he talking about the jumping in the air bump celebration?
     
  16. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    #1441 Mani, Sep 13, 2017
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    Yeah, he meant the mocking of the Saudis' favourite butt-bumping dance which has ironically become an Iranian tradition now. :laugh:

     
  17. Marfavi3

    Marfavi3 New Member

    Sep 13, 2017
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    No glory for Saudis for their blatant cheating with referees
     
  18. Marfavi3

    Marfavi3 New Member

    Sep 13, 2017
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    Germany 8 Saudi 0 is the worst result by an asian team in the world cup history
    Even the other previous afc teams despite their heavy defeats, have not been humiliated in this way
    Kuwait 82 lost 1-4 to an elegant french team
    UAE 90 lost 1-5 to a strong Germany
    China 02 lost 0-4 to a very talented Brazil team
    Iraq 86 far away from disgrace
    Only Iran, Korea, Japan and Australia can achieve good results and bring some pride for asian football fans
    Get ready to see the frustrated 0-8'ers again haha
     
  19. HomokHarcos

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    South Korea lost 9-0 to Hungary and 7-0 to Turkey at the 1954 World Cup.
     
  20. greenfalcons

    greenfalcons New Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    What has Iran done in the World Cup? I can't seem to remember anything special. :rolleyes:
    The Iranian fans are the last people to be taken seriously among the fans from the five AFC nations you mentioned when they talk about the World Cup achievements.

    We advanced to the round of 16 in 1994 and Saeed Al-Owairan scored one of the greatest goals in the history of the World Cup. Our success in 1994 opened up extra WC spots for Asia (from 2 to 3.5) and you qualified for the finals in 1998 thanks to this (you were behind us as usual in the WCQ.) Japan, Korea and Australia qualified for the round of 16 in the past too.
    You attempted to do so 4 times but always failed. Success rate 0% (0/4). You are the most unproductive Asian team ever! :ROFLMAO:

    By the way, you also struggle in the Asian Cup. When was the last time Iran won an Asian Cup? What makes you more miserable is that you won your 3 titles when most of the Asian countries don't care about the tournament.

    The top four in 1968 : 1-Iran 2-Myanmar 3-Israel 4-Chinese Taipei
    The top four in 1972 : 1-Iran 2-South Korea 3-Thailand 4-Cambodia

    Like it or not, Saudi Arabia is a more successful team than you guys in the world and Asia.
     
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  21. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

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  22. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

    Jan 5, 2009
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    He was to leave long back when Netherlands were and are still struggling to qualify for WC and the Dutch FA came knocking but the Saudi FA declined and asked BVM to be with the team till the end of qualifiers and now it is it..
     
  23. Perspolis#1

    Perspolis#1 Member

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Well Asia is just false because we have the same number of Asian cups. Two of Saudis which came when half the world was paying Iraq to try to decimate Iran.(1980s)

    As for the World yes, Congrats in 1994 you got to the next round. Unfortunately like most World Cups.. unless you win or get close your accomplishments get forgotten. You have also gone 3 games 3 losses in the world cup. Something Iran never did.

    No one talks about NK getting far in WC but about their 7-0 drubbing to Portugal.

    Similarly no one talks about Saudis 1994 but they talk about Germanys 8-0 win.

    No one is going to talk about SKs 2002 performance in 24 years if SK doesnt achieve good results.

    I welcome Saudi to try again to showcase for Asia in 2018. Part of me hopes you dont get a tough group..for obvious reasons. Changing your coach a year before the big event is a bone headed move. Lets see how preparations go
     
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  24. Genghis-Khan

    Genghis-Khan Member

    Nov 15, 2016
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    Saudi Arabia won the U-17 WC in 1989 and finished 4th place in the 1999 Confederations Cup too. They are one of the few teams that made Asia proud multiple times on the world stage. It's just plain stupid that some fans continue to tease them because of the 0-8 loss, especially considering the fans are mostly from a country that has added nothing to the reputation of Asian football at the FIFA tournaments.

    It's crazy what football does for my thinking and my perceptions of nations. When I hear Saudi Arabia, that Owairan's goal and their performance in getting to the last 16 is one of the first things I think of.
     
  25. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    #1450 Iranian Monitor, Sep 18, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2017
    The negative side of the equation when it comes to Iran is clear and have mentioned this before: there is no doubt that in the past few decades, Iran's team has failed to win major tournaments or achieve notable success internationally in football. For a team that, except for a brief period between 1992-1996, has always been ranked among the top 3-4 teams in the AFC and often its top ranked team, this is indeed a remarkable failure.

    Equally clear, however, are the following facts: first, Iran has among the best overall records in Asian football, which is why it is not just now but typically and historically ranked either the best or among the best teams in the AFC. In fact, even having failed to win the Asian Cup since 1976, Iran's win-loss record in that tournament remains unrivaled and Iran enjoys the most points and the best overall record in the Asian Cup. Indeed, the last time Iran lost a match in regulation in the Asian Cup was in 1996!

    Second, no side in Asia has proven to be as difficult to defeat as Iran internationally. Iran has never experienced anything like the 8:0 Saudi defeat to Germany in World Cup 2002, or the 5:0 S.Korea loss to Holland in World Cup 1998, or the 4:0 Saudi defeat to France in World Cup 1998, or the 4:0 Saudi defeat to Ukraine in World Cup 2006 or the 7:0 loss by North Korea to Portugal. In fact,unlike all other teams in the AFC even during this same period, Iran has never allowed itself to lose by more than 2 goals to any team in the World Cup in the past 40 years. Indeed, with the exception of our last World Cup match against Bosnia, no team has even enjoyed a halftime lead against Iran at the World Cup during this period. Not Yugoslavia [0:1 (0:0)], nor USA [2:1 [1:0)], nor Germany [0:2 (0:0)] in World Cup 1998; not Mexico [1:3 (1:1)], nor Portugal [0:2 (0:0)] nor Angola [1:1 (0:0)] in World Cup 2006, and neither Nigeria (0:0) nor Argentina [0:1 (0:0)] in World Cup 2014. While most of these teams, with the exception of USA in 1998, Angola in 2006, and Nigeria in 2014, ended up beating Iran, all of them had to sweat to beat Iran. None rolled over Iran the way some of our Asian rivals have seen themselves being steam rolled in the World Cup in some of their matches.

    And the 3rd fact about Iran is the quality of players it has actually introduced and showcased. Names such as Ali Daei, Ali Karimi, Mehdi Mahdavakia, Khodadad Azizi, Karim Bagheri, Javad Nekounam, among many others, are enough to belittle the notion that Iran has not done much of anything for Asian football internationally. We have failed to accomplish as much as a side with Iran's record would be expected to accomplish. And that is something we desperately need to change in World Cup 2018.
     
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