2018 FIFA WC QLF, AFC: Group A (4th)

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  1. Fector

    Fector Member

    Jeonbuk FC
    Timor-Leste
    Jun 6, 2017
    There is no "sportsmanship" in a country that throws metal pieces at the opponents.(In the past it used to urine. And I suppose Iran has become industrialized now to throw something else)
    You are comically incoherent. You want to claim Iran did their best in good sportsmanship but somehow the goals conceded did not matter. Make up your mind.

    PS. Oh yeah laser attack too. You used to criticize Arabs for that and now you became experts in that art just like you perfected the art of grassrolling.
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    #1002 Iranian Monitor, Sep 5, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2017
    Some quick points and observations:

    1- Iran v Syria 2:2 (1:1). Didn't like the lack of sportsmanship by Syria, both the time wasting when they took the lead early in the game and some of the other theatrics subsequently, but can't entirely blame them either. This was a historic match for them and part of me is certainly happy that the people of Syria (who have gone through a lot) have something to cheer. Queiroz and Iran's team, however, clearly didn't feel the same way and Iran was certainly trying to win the game. While Iran's performance was disjointed at times and wasn't the same as in our other games, we still could have easily won this game. And even though Iran's team as a whole wasn't playing to its usual level, this was Dejagah's best match in these qualifiers. Some of his moves were simply sublime.

    As for Syria, I found their defense suspect but they have some good players and Souma in particular was alright. However, they will need to play at another level than what I saw to advance to the World Cup.

    2- Syria finishing 3rd in the group and South Korea booking their ticket despite their abysmal form and does say a bit about the quality of our group. None of our opponents in this group, including South Korea, were impressive. For me, there was little to separate all these other teams including Uzbekistan, China and Qatar. The only team in the group that looked a level above the rest was Iran.

    3- The state of football outside of Asia hasn't been all that impressive in my eyes either. Iran doesn't play too many friendly matches against non-Asians, but the few such games we have played haven't caused much concern in my eyes. The last such match was against Montenegro a few months ago, in front of Montenegro's fans, and while that team was doing fine in UEFA qualifying (2nd place), Iran basically outclassed them and beat them. Nor was Australia all that feeble and useless in the Confederation Cup, despite their unconvincing showing in these qualifiers. Iran is not so good to get any results in the World Cup without being at its best and showing the same kind of flawless concentration as it had for most of its games in these qualifiers before the match against Syria. But if we play our best, and don't shoot ourselves in the foot, we can surprise.
     
  3. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    lmao wargamer. i remember him. i feel like i am in 2005. Iran is south koreas daddy until asian cup. south korea needed us to qualify. their destiny depended on us.:D
     
  4. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    montenegro is not a good example. look at uefa qualifying, the top 2 teams in each group right now. would we be able to beat them? probably not, even though we have more of a chance than 2014. if we get lots of friendlies we might improve. we need some playmakers. we only have dejagah as of now. hopefully goddos would fit in nicely.

    our best match will probably be against the toughest team in our group, simply because we thrive on defensive mode.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Montenegro is in 2nd place in their group still, behind Poland. And I truly have not seen any side that scares me or makes me think they would be impossible for Iran to beat or draw. Not even the best teams in the world give me that sense right now.
     
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  6. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    i dont think that will prove anything. as i said, group strength is about statistical variability, how close the teams are. the 3rd vs 3rd or 1st vs the 1st is not sufficient to determine group strength.
     
  7. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    montenegro is barely 2nd, they won the first leg against denmark so they are 2nd on head to head because they are tied on goal differential. but even if they finish 2nd they wont win the playoffs. didnt you see what happened when we played sweden and bosnia? we are not good against physical european world cup level teams. any time we attack we get exposed and concede.

    not many teams can beat us if we defend, but we need to win 1 or 2 matches to advance from the group stages. i dont feel we are at that level yet, but as of right now i think we are in better shape than 2014. we need lots of friendlies to get to that next level.
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    #1008 Iranian Monitor, Sep 5, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2017
    I agree with some of you say, but not your conclusions. My observations would be as follows:

    1- Bosnia and Sweden both showed something. Specifically, that Iran (which relies heavily on its superior physical prowess in Asia and against many others) might find itself in trouble playing against sides that are even stronger than us physically. I recall Zlatan Ibrahomovic giving Iran's defenders trouble, not just for his skills but also physically. And I had noticed the same when we faced Bosnia with Dzeko and company. This is particularly true if we have to open up and not use numbers in the back. But Montenegro was interesting to me for some of the same reasons. Iran's team has improved since the matches against Bosnia and even Sweden (we played alright against the Swedes in Sweden overall and were somewhat unfortunate in the result we ended up with) and I see us capable of holding our own against most teams I have seen.

    2- Iran's best chance to advance would be to keep a low scoreline against its opponents and use the space and class of our forwards to beat our opponents. Opponents that Iran will find frustratingly hard to expose defensively and are likely to end up giving us the needed space for us to beat them if we manage to keep a clean sheet. If this works for our first 2 matches, we won't have to change our style or tactics for the 3rd match either. In theory, Iran would have a decent chance to pick up the points it needs to advance. And it can even go far because as long as the ball doesn't bounce the wrong way for us, there are really very few teams that can truly trouble us. But, of course, we would need both a bit of luck as well as to make sure we are playing at our best level.
     
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  9. rooboy91

    rooboy91 Member

    Apr 25, 2007
    Perth, Australia
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    Perth Glory
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    Any word on where Syria will play their playoff match?
     
  10. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Good question. Personally, I would like Iran to offer Mashhad's new stadium as a venue to Syria to host their games. While Mashhad is in the northeast of Iran and not all that close to Syria, I like the new stadium we have in Mashhad to be used for some meaningful international matches.
     
  11. Perspolis#1

    Perspolis#1 Member

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

    Im just about done with Iran's host matches charity program.

    Plenty of other countries can help them out.
     
  12. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
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    Beijing Guoan
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    China PR
    looks like lippi and maddaloni ( assistant coach of lippi and head coach of U-23 Team China) will extent their contract with CFA to 2019, the aim is to win 2018 U23 Asian Cup and reach semi final in 2019 Asian cup.

    Also this will be the last show for evergrande group in major tournament, with half of the regular starter are from Guangzhou Evergrande, younger generation that produced by CSL since the crazy investment started from 2011 will get more chance, most of them are from teams like Shanghai Sipg, Shandong Luneng, Beijing Guo'an and of course the two Guangzhou sides
     
  13. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Unlike you, especially now that Iran isn't going to have any meaningful matches, I would love to see Iran host games for Syria. But not in Tehran. Either in Isfahan (Naghshe Jahan stadium) or in Mashhad's new stadium.
     
  14. almango

    almango Member+

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    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
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    If there is a significant difference between the two teams its a good indicator, if it ends up pretty close it isn't.
     
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  15. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    Btw, below is a picture of Mashhad's new Imam Reza Stadium, which I like Iran to offer as the venue for Syria against Australia (and if they manage to get passed Australia, for their match against Concacaf:
    [​IMG]

    A close second choice would be Isfahan's Naghshe Jahan stadium pictured below:

    [​IMG]

    P.S.
    If Syria manages to get passed Australia, they would likely face the US and it would be interesting to have the Americans have to come to Iran to play Syria:) But I don't want the venue to be Tehran. Either Mashhad's Imam Reza Stadium or Isfahan's Naghshe Jahan stadium.
     
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  16. rooboy91

    rooboy91 Member

    Apr 25, 2007
    Perth, Australia
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    Australia
    Anything would be better than the stadium that Iraq used in Tehran.
     
  17. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Tehran Iran
    I am not sure why Iran gave the Iraqis that stadium. Or why they even chose Tehran as the venue. For Iraq, Mashhad would have been an ideal venue actually, as the city hosts plenty of Iraqi visitors each year.
     
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  18. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    Perspolis
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    #1018 Mani, Sep 5, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2017
    One thing that really bothers me about the Syrian team and makes me hesitant to support them going forward, is how they let this Saudi mercenary scumbag, Omar AlSomah, rejoin the team now that they're close to qualification.

    I don't care how good of a footballer he is, the man is essentially a traitor to Syria and Syrian people and he hasn't changed a bit. He doesn't even respect the flag and the shirt he plays for. Instead of posting about Syria's moment of happiness today and congratulating his own people, he was busy kissing Saudi ass on twitter and congratulating them for their qualification.

    Today:

    Last Year:

     
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  19. rooboy91

    rooboy91 Member

    Apr 25, 2007
    Perth, Australia
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    Perth Glory
    Country:
    Australia
    Originally, their game against Australia was announced as being in Mashhad by the Iraqi FA. I don't know why that changed.
     
  20. Perspolis#1

    Perspolis#1 Member

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Manchester United FC

    The ideal venue is in their home country with zero cost to Iran.

    It gets tiresome being the only safeplace in the ME. Esp when those teams hate us anyway
     
  21. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
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    No, thank you. We don't need to help other nations while our own team doesn't even have a proper training field or enough budget for meaningful friendlies.
     
  22. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

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  23. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
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    Iraq
    Good chance that the game could be played in Basra, Iraq when the ban is lifted (probably this month)
     
  24. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Country:
    Iraq
  25. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    AFC has been a corrupt organization for a long time. nothing supersizes me now. I lost hope in fair game a long time ago.
     

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