2018 Attendance

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  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Anyone heard of Houston's attendance yet? It's still not on the NWSL site.
     
  2. stubifier

    stubifier Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jan 19, 2018
    There isn't any obvious excuse for the somewhat-lower-than-hoped-for number. The weather was great. The Jazz didn't have a playoff game last night. RSL played on Friday. The electronic billboards still ran advertisements for the game. 8500 might be our usual average.

    Having said that, I do think that the afternoon games might prove to be more popular for the Royals. The stadium is in a suburban area, and a lot of the fans so far (this is just my impression, of course) seem to be young, childless couples. Some of this demographic might prefer to stay in the city on Saturday nights. Also, parents might be more inclined to get their kids out for a 7 PM game once school is out in a few weeks. It was a weekend, but still. I do have hope that the attendance numbers will gradually improve during the summer.

    My biggest fear, really, is that people might have been a bit turned off by the Royals' anemic offense during the home opener. We don't have the most dynamic team in the league...
     
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  3. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Maybe Amy Rodriguez, now that she's active, can change that. Despite the age and being back from two seasons when she was stopped by pregnancy + an injury, she doesn't look like she's declining much.
     
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  4. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Not really sure the second game of the year means anything, though a couple years season lows have been in Late April. It probably had as much to do with day of the Week and school.

    This was a Friday when school is in session, so it needs to be compared with games from past years that were similar. It could be a double whammy of school and season. It’s hard for families to go home from work, eat, and then head back to town.

    In 2016, for instance, the season low was on a Wednesday in September (13.7K) sandwiched between two weekend home games that drew 17+K and 21+K.
    That was in the middle of the run for the shield. The second lowest day was July 4 weekend.

    2015 the 12K low was July 3. People left town.
    2014 was just under 11K on a Wednesday in May.
    2013 had about 10k on a Thursday in early June.
     
  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Hence why I pointed out last year's low was nearly identical, too. POR had nearly the same attendance for the same 2nd home game, but still had 17k+ average.
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
  7. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Bad management and no on-field results.
     
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  9. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Was an official number ever released for the Houston game?
     
  10. WoSoFan

    WoSoFan Member

    Dec 23, 2017
    It is now posted on the NWSL web site as being 3591.
     
  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Well, after holding fairly steady in attendance for their first two home games, the Dash have regressed...

    Right now, the only returning teams whose current averages are better than 2017's season averages are the Red Stars (buoyed by an outlier double-header) and the Spirit. Granted, three returning teams have only had 1 or 2 home games thus far, so hard to pass full judgement yet, but really hope they pick up a bit by the time they hit 4 home games in the books.

    Even with that team-by-team general drop, replacing KC and BOS with UTA has thus far resulted in 2018's current overall average being a quarter larger than 2017's season overall average. Granted again, the two lowest-drawing teams are also the two with just one home game thus far, so expect that 25% bonus to drop.
     
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  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    For some context about rises and falls in attendance:

    MLS had consistent year-over-year drops in attendance from 17,406 in 1996 to 13,756 in 2000, then plateaued at ~15k for the next six years. Six of the nine original teams that survived the 2001/02 contraction either have never beaten their 1996 attendance or didn't do so until 2014 or 2015. (NER's best attendance was in year 2, and the didn't otherwise beat their year 1 attendance again until 2015.)

    As long as each individual team has their books balanced, I wouldn't worry about viability too much, at least in terms of minor attendance drops. The question of increasing league minimum standards is the one thing to bring book-balancing in to question as costs rise.
     
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  13. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    MIght I suggest (once again) that lack of scoring is what keeps soccer from becoming a truly large, professional sport in the U.S. We don't have a soccer history and folklore to support the game the way the Europeans and Latinos do.
     
  14. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #139 Cliveworshipper, May 2, 2018
    Last edited: May 2, 2018

    Yeah scores from beyond the line should be 3 points.:p

    You do get that MLS attendance tops the first division in Argentina, Brasil, and France, right? It’s the sixth best attended league in the World.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics...iums-in-the-world-by-average-attendance-2010/


    Average attendance was higher that the NBA last year.


    The number of registered soccer players is six times the population of Uruguay.
     
  15. William49

    William49 Member

    Nov 11, 2015
    Chicagoland
    Ban goalie gloves.
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #141 SiberianThunderT, May 2, 2018
    Last edited: May 2, 2018
    Yeah, Clive is more on-point than you are here. MLS may not be the draw that MLB or NFL is, but it draws more than the NBA and NHL - lack of scoring is NOT holding soccer back in the US. Also, it's the 7th-highest attended soccer league on average worldwide and the 14th-highest attended sports league (of any kind) on average worldwide.
     
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  17. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #142 Cliveworshipper, May 2, 2018
    Last edited: May 2, 2018
    Consider in this discussion the MLS was foundering badly in 2000, when there was a a contraction in its fifth year more pronounced than the NWSL this year.

    They just had to find what works and go after it.
     
  18. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Very midweek-y attendance in Chi-town this evening, and bad weather to boot... 2,027
     
  19. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've gotten cautious about reaching conclusions from the Thorns' available seats charts, but if what I think I'm seeing is what's actually the current situation, I'd say that the Thorns/Reign game on Saturday will have very good attendance.
     
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  20. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    It took me close to two hours to get from the north side of Chicago to south side of Chicago for the game last night in horrid traffic with thunder and lightning starting a couple of hours before game-time and continuing on and off.
    Even season ticket holders I see there all the time weren't there.

    Midweek games are a killer for Red Stars attendance because the Chicago traffic is so bad. However, having said that, die-hards like me will be there no matter what.

    Those NWSL teams that don't have a big season ticket holder pool have to rely on walk-ups for attendance boost. In Chicago on a week day is very hard, unfortunately.
     
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  21. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #146 Cliveworshipper, May 4, 2018
    Last edited: May 4, 2018
    Two separate issues.

    I get you need a season ticket base. Todo that you need to cater to older, ( not kids- they don’t buy season tickets) but still relatively young ( late twenties, early thirties) base.


    They need convenient after work travel .
    I’m sure you know a lot more about the Chicago market. In Portland, the stadium is centered on the metro transportation heart independent on car traffic. Where in Chicago would that be?
     
  22. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    16,054 in Portland for Portland-Seattle
    2,065 in NJ for Sky Blue-Houston
    7,551 in Utah for Utah-Washington
     
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  23. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thorns' attendance comparison, first three home games:

    2017: 46,776
    2018: 47,005

    Virtually identical.
     
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  24. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Moderate recoveries for NC and NJ, still a bit of a slip for Utah (ahead of their first midweek home match).
     

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