2018-2019 UEFA Season Referee Discussion [Rs]

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably not as tightly, though it depends on the country.

    Remember that many of the AARs also work European matches as referees. So if a referee gets a UCL match on Tuesday but his trusty AAR gets appointed to a UEL game on Thursday, he needs a different AAR. Also, when new/younger CRs from big countries get bigger matches, they sometimes get more senior AARs... that happened initially as Taylor and Oliver progressed. And Skomina has served as an AAR once or twice for Jug.

    All that said, apparently there is a video clip where the AAR is pointing to the spot with his wand in Manchester. So we may be blaming this AAR for the wrong reason... rather than fail to correct Kassai, he might have been the one who prompted the wrong decision, which is why I framed my post above the way I did.
     
  2. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I saw that clip live, and the AAR does point to the spot, but from what I saw it was after Kassai was already pointing there, and to be honest the point by the AAR was not very convincing to me. I don't know what transpired over the headsets, but you are right that he did point, to me it didn't look like he was the one insisting though. More like confirming.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, an AAR isn't supposed to point before his CR at all, other than in the case of a goal, so the fact that he didn't point beforehand can't be used as evidence that he did not make the call.

    Whether he was confirming the call or visually showing that he was the originator of the call... that would be impossible to say for sure even if I did see it!
     
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  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kovacs was busy in his debut and had what I think is the first SFP red for a tackle we've seen in a little while in the UCL:

    https://streamable.com/2ksi4
     
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  5. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ouch! It's a fair cop. Like the AR with the quick flag up and down. "Yup, you got it... Good, I'll just put the flag back down, nothing to see over here...."
     
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  6. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Wow that was a high tackle.
     
  7. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't notice that initially and now my coworkers think I'm crazy for laughing when everyone's quiet.
     
  8. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Selected Nations League appointments:

    League A

    Croatia - Spain: KULBAKOV (BLR)
    Belgium - Iceland: GRINFELD (ISR)
    Netherlands - France: TAYLOR (ENG)
    Italy - Portugal: MAKKELIE (NED)

    League B

    Wales - Denmark: KRUZLIAK (SVK)
    Turkey - Sweden: KOVACS (ROU)

    League C

    Greece - Finland: BANTI (ITA)
    Slovenia - Norway: BUQUET (FRA)
    Serbia - Montenegro: UNDIANO MALLENCO (ESP)
    Romania - Lithuania: GUIDA (ITA)
     
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  9. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Selected friendly appointments:

    Brazil - Uruguay: PAWSON (ENG)
    England - USA: GIL MANZANO (ESP)
    Germany - Russia: SCHARER (SUI)
    Ireland - Northern Ireland: VINCIC (SVN)
    Italy - USA: CAKIR (TUR)
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The League A Nations League assignments seem to be a big signal about the future. They are important enough to need very high-level referees, but I guess also the competition is seen as new or experimental enough to be able to use some referees that are otherwise unproven. This is the next generation of UCL officials and potential EURO 2020 or WC 2022 referees you're looking at.

    Cakir will have VAR for the Italy-USA friendly, by the way.
     
  11. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    League A

    Switzerland - Belgium: ORSATO (ITA)
    England - Croatia: SIDIROPOULOS (GRE)

    League C

    Hungary - Finland: VINCIC (SVN)

    Sidiropoulos with the match that decides the whole group at Wembley, Orsato also with a group winner deciding match.
     
  12. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    League A

    Germany - Netherlands: HATEGAN (ROU)
    Portugal - Poland: KARASEV (RUS)

    League B

    Czech Republic - Slovakia: HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ (ESP)
    Sweden - Russia: BASTIEN (FRA)

    League C

    Scotland - Israel: WELZ (GER)
    Montenegro - Romania: ZWAYER (GER)
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huge match for Hategan who has really turned it around since that one penalty call in Northern Ireland. Renaissance in Romanian officiating currently. You have two referees who look like they could make it to a World Cup.
     
  14. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    When do these teams play?
     
  15. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Germany already being relegated lessens it somewhat but yea, that's a big game.
     
  16. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    November 19 and 20.
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Germany likely need a result to avoid being put in Pot 2 for 2020 qualifying, though. Being relegated as one of the worst teams has a snowball effect that could put EURO qualifying in jeopardy or, at the very least, make it more difficult. So they have something to play for on top of denying their rivals the vital away point needed to win the group.
     
  18. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
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  19. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Geez, that's awful. I'm not sure I could have stayed for the 2nd half.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting question as to who goes to the Nations League Finals next year. That's a marquee appointment now, so you have to figure it's the top elite referees in consideration, but possibly with an eye to the future as well? Portugal, England, Netherlands and Switzerland to attend... so maybe something like Turpin, Hategan, Skomina and Cakir? VAR will likely be used for that event, so that's another factor.

    Anyway, relative to more pressing matters, MD 5 UCL assignments for Tuesday:

    AEK Athens : Ajax - OLIVER (ENG)
    Bayern : Benfica - ORSATO (ITA)

    1899 Hoffenheim : Shakhtar - KRUZLIAK (SVK)
    Olympique Lyon : Manchester City - ROCCHI (ITA)

    CSKA : Plzen - MAKKELIE (NED)
    Roma : Real Madrid - TURPIN (FRA)

    Manchester United : Young Boys - BRYCH (GER)
    Juventus : Valencia - COLLUM (SCO)

    Given the standings and the EL spot for finishing third place, none of these are meaningless matches, yet none of them stick out--from a progression standpoint--as head and shoulders above the other. Roma-Real is obviously the marquee matchup. Skomina probably yet again started as UCL Final favorite, but I think it's crazy to believe--based on assignments and performance--that Turpin isn't at the top of the list this very moment.
     
  22. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Brych does another game in the same group. Is this a first?
     
  23. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Atletico Madrid - Monaco: GESTRANIUS (FIN)
    Dortmund - Brugge: MAZEIKA (LTU)

    PSV - Barcelona: KRALOVEC (CZE)
    Tottenham - Inter Milan: CAKIR (TUR)

    PSG - Liverpool: MARCINIAK (POL)
    Napoli - Red Star Belgrade: GIL MANZANO (ESP)

    Lokomotiv Moscow - Galasataray: MATEU LAHOZ (ESP)
    Porto - Schalke: HATEGAN (ROU)

    Reads just like appointments for the Saudi Arabian league :D

    Marciniak with the marquee match, Cakir also with a big one at Wembley. Gestranius with his debut in Madrid.
     
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  24. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Selected EL appointments:

    Red Bull Salzburg - RB Leipzig: GRINFELD (ISR)
    Zenit Saint Petersburg - Copenhagen: VINCIC (SVN)
    Real Betis - Olympiacos: KARASEV (RUS)
    Spartak Moscow - Rapid Wien: GIL (POL)
    Standard Liege - Sevilla: SIEBERT (GER)
    Astana - Dynamo Kyiv: BEBEK (CRO)
    BATE Borisov - MOL Vidi: DEL CERRO GRANDE (ESP)
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First Finnish referee in UCL since 1995 and it’s out of nowhere. Gestranius doesn’t exactly have the sort of track record that makes you think he was due for a debut.

    Is that Mazeika’s first game? I know we had a Latvia debut but don’t remember seeing Mazeika—maybe I missed it.

    Hategan just keeps on going. Obviously big matches for Marciniak and Cakir, but Turpin and Hategan seem to be the two who are really impressing this season.
     

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