2018-2019 UEFA Season Referee Discussion [Rs]

Not really. APP, per se, has nothing to do with this. APP is purely a VAR concept.

The handling offense requires a player gaining control through inadvertent handling and that player scores or creates a scoring opportunity. So all it really requires is that if there is an inadvertent handling the R tracks what that player does. If that player passes to someone else who subsequently creates the scoring opportunity, the offense has not occurred (even though it was in the APP from a VAR perspective). So we can apply--but in the real world of lower level games we are probably only going to be concerned about in the attacking third where the promising attack comes immediately after the inadvertent handling occurs.

Yes and no. The high level instruction on handling had already twisted the word "deliberate" far from any rational meaning--most of what the new non-deliberate language does is to track the instructions that was going to be given to referees already.

 

Big moment in Frankfurt v Benfica.
(39th minute)
Frankfurt shot from outside the box rebounds off post to Kostic who first-time kicks the rebound into goal.
Replay shows Kostic was offside when the initial shot was taken. Goal stands
VAR not used in Europa League, correct?
Different tournament, I know. But after what happened in a UEFA event one night earlier in Manchester this looks rather ridiculous confusing.

 

could the player at the other end of the penalty area also have screened off his vision of the goalscorer?

 

From a laws perspective it is an easy call, but it's unusual to have 3 or 4 OSP players, and he is looking through 1 or 2 to see the one who ultimately scored--and who was the least likely to get involved at the time the ball was played.

(I say 3 or 4 because the 1 in the middle is close--and a more likely candidate to get involved than the ultimate scorer, which was probably attracting his attention.

I'd sure like to see him get this call, but I'm not ready to call it a bad miss with all that was going on in that moment and the location of the goal scorer.

 

Black #4 is on, held on by the defender whose hand shoots up asking for offside. The play provides for a potential give-and-go/wall pass between Black #4 and his teammate, who chooses to shoot.

 

Oh, there’s PAR on every one of my games now. Parent assistant refs, and they have their video!

 

This is from the official UEFA channel. So I'm assuming the Brych and the VAR looked at this clip. You can clearly see that Man U defender makes contact with Rakitic's ankle first and then gets a touch of the ball.

I watched this clip like 20 times to see if my eyes are deceiving but it is pretty clear that he makes contact with Rakitic first and then gets the ball.

Maybe they deemed the contact he did make to be insufficient and normal contact for that level?

 

I just watched the QF Man City v Tottenham. On the final City goal Erikson (Tot) played the ball back toward his own goal. It looked deliberate to me. The ball deflected from the outstreched shin of Bernardo Silva (MC), landing at the feet of Sergio Aguero who was a half step offside. The AR didn't flag it, but the VAR called the goal off for offside.

This all happened in added time with the aggregate score at 4-4 with Tottenham having an away goal and going through to the semis. That final goal would've made the aggregate 5-4 Man City. I say good goal and Man City goes through. I'm interested in others' thoughts. BTW, not really a fan of either team .

 

The Spanish first division will squeeze in two rounds of league competition between Tuesday and Monday. Full assignments here (see Jornadas 34 and 35). Mateu Lahoz will have VAR duty Tuesday, April 23 and then nothing after that. Hernandez Hernandez will center on Wednesday, April 24 and then nothing after that.

 

I don't see how Turpin gets the EL final so soon. Similarly, Skomina, at 42, has a few more years to get the UCL final. For this reason, I'm rooting for Rocchi (who is 45)

One clue - if we don't see Lahoz on Tottenham-Ajax, it could be UEFA is saving him for a final without Barcelona. My predictions, for what they're worth:

UCL:

TOT-AJAX Lahoz (Hernandez Hernandez) & Skomina (Makkelie)
BAR-LIV Kuipers (Makkelie) & Cakir (Irrati)

FINAL ROCCHI (IRRATI)

UEL:

ARS-VAL Brych & Marciniak
EIN-CHE Turpin & Del Cerro Grande

FINAL CAKIR (MAKKELIE)

 

Do you think Marciniak is done for the season?

 

OOPS Hahaha, I think I came up with that after my second glass of wine! I agree with your inclusion of Hategan, he’s been better than Marciniak.