2017 U.S. Open Cup schedule

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by newtex, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Country:
    United States
    So if the Miami/Cincinnati winner beats the Red Bulls AND San Jose beats Kansas City (the former might be more likely than the latter, if for no other reason than home teams tend to win a lot in this tournament, most things being otherwise equal), we would have a lower-division side hosting the final for the first time in the modern era.
     
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  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    Quarterfinals

    Home team first, times are ET

    Monday, July 10
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 3-2 LA Galaxy (MLS)

    Tuesday, July 11
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 3-0 (aet) FC Dallas (MLS) 7:30 pm

    Thursday, July 13
    New England Revolution (MLS) 0-1 NY Red Bulls (MLS)

    Wednesday, August 2
    Miami FC (NASL) v. FC Cincinnati (USL) 7:30 pm

    Semifinals

    Wednesday, August 9
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) v. San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 8:30 pm

    Wednesday, August 9
    Miami FC (NASL) v. NY Red Bulls (MLS) 7:30 pm
    OR
    Tuesday, August 15
    FC Cincinnati (USL) v. NY Red Bulls (MLS) 8:00 pm

    The final will be September 20.
     
  3. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Country:
    Bolivia
    Will these 2 matches be televised or streamed?
     
  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    0-0 at the half
     
  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    Home record crowd over 10,400 go home disappointed with the 1-0 Miami loss, match could have gone either way.
     
  8. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the latest update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2016179816091575137112891358
    2017 R1179816091575136512981354
    2017 R2179816031608136312841344
    2017 R3179816231606134112841348
    2017 R4178716321609134112841347
    2017 R5178116401607134112841347
    2017 QF178116301617134112841347


    MLS teams don't change at all because they only played with each other. USL's road win brings them and NASL to almost an equivalent rating. Cincinnati is at home next round, so there isn't likely to be too much in changes from the semi finals.
     
  9. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Country:
    Bolivia
    Feel bad for that home crowd. That being said, ¡Vamos FC Cincinnati! Their fans better bring it Tuesday night (I'm sure they will)! Keep the Cinderella run alive!
     
  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017 U.S. Open Cup

    Quarterfinals

    Home team first, times are ET

    Monday, July 10
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 3-2 LA Galaxy (MLS)

    Tuesday, July 11
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 3-0 (aet) FC Dallas (MLS) 7:30 pm

    Thursday, July 13
    New England Revolution (MLS) 0-1 NY Red Bulls (MLS)

    Wednesday, August 2
    Miami FC (NASL) 0-1 FC Cincinnati (USL)

    Semifinals

    Wednesday, August 9
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) v. San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 8:30 pm

    Tuesday, August 15
    FC Cincinnati (USL) v. NY Red Bulls (MLS) 8:00 pm

    The final will be September 20.
     
  11. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I wouldn't be surprised to see 30K+ for that NYRB match. 20K+ is eseentually guaranteed.
     
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  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    and my guess is a complete sell-out at 40K even with suspected coverage on ESPN...we'll see
     
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  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Quarterfinals:

    Home teams went 2-2 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 1-0
    MLS 3-3
    NASL 0-1

    NOTE: There were 3 MLS/MLS games. MLS teams did not play against the other divisions.

    Overall for the tournament:

    Home teams went 57-38 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    NASL 9-5
    USL 29-17
    MLS 22-16
    PDL 15-21
    Local Qualifiers 12-18
    NPSL 8-17
     
  14. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  15. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I wonder if "SOLD OUT" means full capacity with all amenities within Nippert Stadium. Or just a portion of the stadium with some sections taped off.
     
  16. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Also, putting up numbers like that for club matches is forcing MLS to maybe bump Cincy ahead of more attractive markets.
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    First semifinal result:

    U.S. Open Cup

    Semifinals

    Wednesday, August 9
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 1-1 (pks 5-4) San Jose Earthquakes (MLS)

    Tuesday, August 15
    FC Cincinnati (USL) v. NY Red Bulls (MLS) 8:00 pm

    The final will be September 20. Kansas City will host.
     
  18. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I guess SKC hosting the final is a safe choice. IF Cincinnati hosted, Nippert stadium would be rocking for the finals. It would be epic; and I would love to see it. But if NYRB wins, the finals would be played to a half empty stadium like it always is. As much as I'm not a found fan of SKC, i know the fans will fill their venue for a cup final.
     
  19. mike the mas

    mike the mas New Member

    Feb 19, 2017
    I believe the order of hosting was random. Not if you don't believe that it was really random, yeah maybe.
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yes, it was random.

    The draw for final hosting is at about the 10 minute mark of this video:

     
  21. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I know the hosting draws are essentially coin flips. I was just going over the desirable places to host the finals.

    Cincinnati >>KC>>>>>>>>>>San Jose>NYRB

    Since KC had already advanced. It was a "safe" choice for a good Finals crowd. Rather than risk NYRB winning their matchup and hosting.
     
  22. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    Final of #USOC2017 will be broadcast LIVE on @ESPN (2) & @ESPN Deportes at 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on Sept. 20
     
  23. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the final 2017 update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2016179816091575137112891358
    2017 R1179816091575136512981354
    2017 R2179816031608136312841344
    2017 R3179816231606134112841348
    2017 R4178716321609134112841347
    2017 R5178116401607134112841347
    2017 QF178116301617134112841347
    2017 Final178716301610134112841347


    Cincinnati put up a good fight, but couldn't hold it together in the end.

    A reminder to everyone that it is the relative ratings which matter for this, not the absolute scores. While it may look like relatively minor changes, NASL and USL both closed a decent gap with MLS this year. Don't get me wrong, the gap between MLS and those two leagues is still huge, especially since MLS teams don't field their 1st team for the first couple rounds they participate in. It's just nice to see there be a bit more competition between the leagues than we've had the last couple tournaments.
     
  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Second semifinal result:

    U.S. Open Cup

    Semifinals

    Wednesday, August 9
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 1-1 (pks 5-4) San Jose Earthquakes (MLS)

    Tuesday, August 15
    FC Cincinnati (USL) 2-3 (aet) NY Red Bulls (MLS)

    Final

    Wednesday, September 20
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) v. NY Red Bulls (MLS) 9:00 pm ESPN2
     
  25. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States

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