2017 Matchday #12: Union v Colorado Rapids, May 20, 2017 p/d/p (R)

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by cwelch999, May 18, 2017.

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Predict The Outcome: Union v. Colorado Rapids

Poll closed May 20, 2017.
  1. Win

    45.8%
  2. Loss

    25.0%
  3. Tie

    29.2%
  1. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're never going to let a player re-enter the field that way because he's out of sight of all the players and it presents a really bad situation if the defenders play the ball backwards. Really, the player should know that. I'm at a loss as to why he'd have done that.

    As for the game, that second half was something. It's a completely different team in the way they perform right now. First half wasn't great but they got it right in the second. Ilsinho had been ridiculous too. It's much better seeing him in the middle rather than isolated outside like he'd been.
     
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  2. Amscray

    Amscray Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Aug 24, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree 100%. Dude was still horrible.
     
  3. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Funny to hear Haris say they knew they would win after scoring the first. When 4 games ago, we all knew they wouldn't hold on to a 3 goal lead once Portland got a first.
     
  4. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I'm not saying the card wasn't deserved, how the ref handled every interaction was confrontational. Whether for us or against us. I'm glad we won, but it was like watching someone fall down the stairs. You hope they weren't hurt too bad and feel embarrassed for him.
     
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  5. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think you're mixing up your Union collapses.
     
  6. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union won't lose another match all year...until the MLS Cup final that is.
     
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  7. BuddhaWake

    BuddhaWake Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Philadelphia
    the yellow (turning to red) was just nuts. Any player out there let alone a professional should know the rules. You can't just go back in when you feel like it or because someone else tells you to do it.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, he was really bad, for both teams. Bedoya was very fortunate/lucky to not pick up two yellows. Same can be said for a number of Rapids players as well. How De Font escaped a yellow card in the first half is mind boggling. Ditto for Sjoberg, as he was lucky not to give up a PK in the first half. The PK that was called could have been a Red Card as well for deliberately handling the ball in the box and denying a goal scoring opportunity. Immediately after that call, it sure looked as if Howard shoved Gooch away with a hand to his face (it could have just been the angle of my seats and view of the play though). Hands to the face are an auto red this year, Chara got sent off for less against Mtl earlier in the day.

    Just a very inconsistent game from the CR. I've seen Rugby matches that were less physical. I have to imagine that the players were frustrated not knowing what was a foul, a cardable foul, or not a foul at all.

    Just be glad that Sheanon Williams and the FarFans no longer play for the Union...........In a game like that, in the past the Union would have been lucky to finish with 8 guys on the field at the end....

    Anyways, the second half was actually a lot of fun. It's actually enjoyable to watch the Union at Talen NRG Stadium again!
     
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  9. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure they try to avoid reds when penalties are awarded to avoid "double jeopardy". I've seen they several times recently. What would have been a red and PK is yellow and PK. Maybe our resident rules expert @billf can weight on on that??
     
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  10. SOBtilIdie

    SOBtilIdie Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #85 SOBtilIdie, May 21, 2017
    Last edited by a moderator: May 23, 2017
    The hand ball was not DOGSO. It was deliberate, thus leading to a yellow, but it was not blocking a shot or directly preventing a goal so a red would have been exceedingly harsh.

    And I think the guy only pushed Gooch away. Chara actually hit Piatti in the face. Piatti made a meal of it but was smacked in the face.

    DOGSO still applies to handling regardless. This case for doesn't apply to DOGSO.

    The yellow rather then red applies to plays were the player makes a true attempt at the ball but ends up fouling the player. If you just drag a guy down and you are the last defender it would still be a red.

    You likely won't see keepers sent off on a bang bang play where they slide out trying to get the ball, the player gets clipped after touching the ball around the goalie. That would be yellow and a pk. See Blakes yellow against Portland.
     
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  11. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great stuff, Thanks!
     
  12. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union are fun again. I hope they keep it up while I watch from the 215 area code next weekend.
     
  13. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yes indeed. There have been many.
     
  14. Cherry Hill SOB

    Cherry Hill SOB Member+

    Aug 30, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Slumpbuster FC;):thumbsup::whistling:
     
  15. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my section, 75% of the fans had no idea conor Casey was the guy dismissed
     
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  16. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have an option now. You can show yellow when DOGSO results in a pk
     
  17. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Classic bandwagon Union fans.
     
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  18. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Glad to see the discussion on the ref here. The guy was 100% shit tier.

    Technically, you're not supposed to wave people on from the end line but we've all seen it done many, many times. The CR was doing it to be spiteful. He looked directly at Calvert and, IMO, made a decision to make him wait & stew.

    He was unprofessional the entire match, consistently trying to prove he was the "power" of the match (as someone in my section eloquently put it).

    Obviously, his calls helped my team so I won't complain too much, but I really felt bad for Calvert. He was a victim of someone who was out to prove a point.

    ETA: With MLS Live I watch a stupid amount of games. The refereeing in this league is terrible. I would hate to be a Coach in this league. It would take all of my strength in some of the matches to not pull my team off the field in the 60' - it's that bad. It seems the more initiative MLS puts into trying to sort out the reffing situation, the worse it has become.
     
  19. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The referee was in a tight spot there. If that was the Rapids' defensive end, maybe he waves the guy on, but there really wasn't an out for him there.You can't let an attacking player enter behind the play like that and a player should know that. This particular referee doesn't have a style that works for me and I do think this incident is one that will be a talking point in the assessment, but I wouldn't put it on the referee entirely.
     
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  20. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem is that MLS does not oversee PRO, the USSF does. The USSF is responsible for providing good officials for matches at all professional levels/leagues in the US. They are trying, but being a match official is a thankless job. It's also likely one of the toughest jobs as well.

    Now granted the CR on saturday did himself no favors by letting a lot go, and being inconsistent with his calls. I imagine some of this can be attributed to officials not wanting to disrupt the flow of the game/letting the game develop a flow in the first place. If Colorado had their way, the game would have had zero flow and an infinite number of restarts.

    TBF the referees in England haven't had a stellar year either.
     
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  21. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS does fund PRO and its offices are co located within MLS HQ. Its completely separate from the USSF. While USSF, and a few CSA, referees are used, there's nothing to say that's a hard requirement. All pro games are now assigned by PRO.
     
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  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought there was a requirement by FIFA that leagues couldn't provide officials, and that the officials had to be provided by the countries federation?
     
  23. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    show me a league who's fans don't complain about their referees.
     
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  24. frobisherthepenguin1

    Jun 6, 2008
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  25. CITY&UNION

    CITY&UNION Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nexus says: we've been so bad for so long that a four game win streak can turn a season that started out with 8 winless games into one of the best runs of form, and our fourth best season through 12 weeks.
     
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