2017 Gold Cup Referees [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. greek ref

    greek ref Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Panathinaikos Athens
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    MD3 appointments

    CAN-HON: Aguilar (SLV)
    CRC-GUY: Ramos (MEX)
     
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  2. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    El Salvador - Jamaica should go to Marrufo, as MassRef suggested. I guess Garcia will have USA - Nicaragua.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Panama-Martinique is likely the more consequential game, so wouldn't be surprised to see Garcia there, actually. And would keep him away from the USA in case CONCACAF wants to use him in the knockout stages.

    That would mean Matamoras for USA-Nicaragua and then a repeat ref for Mexico-Curaçao--maybe Pitti or Ward?
     
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  4. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    As expected:

    Panama - Martinique: GARCIA (MEX)
    Nicaragua - USA: MATAMOROS (HON)
     
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  5. mudhen

    mudhen Member

    Apr 11, 2012
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Is anybody surprised that Luis Copete got sent off?
     
  6. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. I think it should have happened on the first PK.

    IMO, ref should have given a yellow card for the initial foul outside the box, which he played advantage on, leading to the foul in the box. The foul in the box was all arms, no attempt the play the ball, and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
     
  7. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Jamaica - El Salvador: MARRUFO (USA)
    Mexico - Curacao: WARD (SKN)
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, the QF matchups are Costa Rica-Panama, USA-El Salvador, Jamaica-Canada, and Mexico-Honduras. If I were guessing, and presuming no referee can be on a match that might determine his country's opponent (which is standard, but who knows for CONCACAF because it didn't happen last time), I'd say:

    Ramos for Costa Rica-Panama
    Martinez for USA-El Salvador
    Geiger for Mexico-Honduras
    Lopez for Canada-Jamaica

    That sort of scenario probably screws Garcia and Marrufo and puts Aguilar, Pitti/Montero (depending upon the CRC-PAN result) and one of the Hondurans as the final 3 referees. So maybe I'm way off. It's just hard to figure out a scenario (and justify) Geiger, Marrufo, Garcia and Ramos all working when we're only talking about 7 matches and the restrictions caused by the US and Mexico being alive.
     
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  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Does CONCACAF make an announcement as to who/if they send any refereees home after the group stage? They invited 17 referees? Do they retain them all for the knockout stages?
     
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  10. greek ref

    greek ref Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Panathinaikos Athens
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    Who is more likely to have a QF? Garcia or Ramos?
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no real idea. I guess Ramos purely based on rest days and the fact that Ramos seems to be highly rated within CONCACAF (whereas Garcia seems the more likely World Cup referee). But it's just a guess. You could take the same set of facts and logically argue the other way (that it's Garcia's "turn" since he didn't have a knockout match in 2015 and he needs to be touted for 2018).

    The Geiger-Marrufo question is similar, really. But I think/hope there is an incentive to push Geiger that doesn't quite exist with the Mexican referees--I could be totally wrong, though.
     
  12. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Costa Rica - Panama: MONCADA (HON)
    USA - El Salvador: FISCHER (CAN)

    Somewhat unexpected, both appointments.
     
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  13. greek ref

    greek ref Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Panathinaikos Athens
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    Full appointments

    New
    Costa Rica - Panama: MONCADA (HON), LEAL (GUA), CRUZ (HON), MATAMOROS (HON)
    USA - El Salvador: FISCHER (CAN), QUINTEROS (MEX), ROCHARD (TRI), GUERRERO (MEX)
     
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  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say so, yes.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the only way one of the Mexican referees works is if he gets a match that determines who faces Mexico (or if Mexico gets eliminated). Welcome to CONCACAF.
     
  16. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Drew Fischer already having a tough one. Looks like he showed the wrong player a yellow card in the 17th minute.

    Prior to caution his assistant had his flag up disallowing a goal that appeared by the replay to be onside.
     
  17. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Then a caution to Nagbe when a Salvador player trips over the ball.
     
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  18. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    So how about that advantage call? Seems like he called the second foul and then brought it back to first instead of giving a penalty. Odd.
     
  19. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Oh this is getting ugly.
     
  20. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fischer doesn't look like he's up to this level.
     
  21. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Drew Fischer definitely needed that goal. Otherwise game could have gotten away from him.
     
  22. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    One of the current short falls of VAR.
    you can disallow a goal that video shows was offside but you can't award a goal that was on, but called off.
     
  23. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what's with the free kick arcs drawn by Fischer? It curls away from the ball so the rest of the arc is more than 10 yards.
     
  24. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I agree. I don't believe VAR is being used for this tournament tho.
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, then. After all the play-acting in the first half, that's actually missed VC. Don't think that will be forgotten.
     

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