2017 Confederations Cup - Qualifiers, News and Updates [R]

PNG = Penalties No Good....

 

Unfortunately neither FIFA nor www.flashscore.com has statistics for that game.

 

Well, with Russia being officially eliminated we can now say that if Germany Makes the Final whoever is their opponent get's the automatic bid to the Confederations Cup.

 

There's still a part of me that still believes if Argentina win that Centenario thing FIFA will try and find a way to get them into the Confederations.

 

I think it would be cool if Germany wins the Euro that the Euro Runner-up play Argentina in a play- in match on a Neutral site somewhere (assuming Argentina wins of course which is not a certainty).

 

Would not be surprised one bit if FIFA decided to have such a playoff.
But I'd wonder how serious both teams would take it. I'd think the players would want the summer of 2017 off. Especially Argentina who have played in the summers of '14, '15 and '16. Throw in the '17 Confederations and they potentially wouldn't have a summer off until 2020.

 

Just a quick question here... even though it's impossible now, and probably always was very implausible but what would have happened had Russia and Germany played in the final of the Euros... who would've taken UEFA's confed cup place?

 

or the USA for that matter....

 

It's something I've felt since FIFA gave that Centenario thing its blessing by including it on the international calendar: If Argentina or Brazil were to win it FIFA may try to find a way to include them in the Confederations.
At the moment, Chile are CONMEBOL's sole representative, as they should be. But I would be more "" believing Confederation organizers are satisfied with that situation. Hopefully this new regime at FIFA will stick to the criteria no matter who wins that "celebration tournament". Then again, I'm hoping Chile make it a moot point by winning it.

 

It could happen in late May/Early June when teams do friendlies.
But unlikely.

 

I don't think teams would want to wait that long to see if they will be in the Confederations Cup. FIFA says the period for national team games starts June 5, 2017 and the Confederations Cup starts June 17. The UEFA Champions League Final isn't until June 3. What if Argentina wins the Copa America Centenario and has a Confederations Cup playoff against Chile without Messi because he was at the Champions League Final? If there has to be a playoff between the winners of Copa America 2015 and 2016, the best time might be immediately after Copa America Centenario while players are with their national teams and the Euro is going on.

 

Chile v Argentina - Copa America 2015 final
Argentina v Chile - Copa America 2016 final
Argentina v Chile - playoff for 2017 Confed Cup final?

Nah, would be too much, no? Honestly though I don't think FIFA can move the goalposts like that... Chile it is...

 

Don't count your chickens. Colombia can advance tonight.

 

Actually you should say winners of Copa America 2015 and Copa America-Centenario 2016.
It's pretty much very similar one to the other, but they are 2 completely diferent things. One is the Continental championship of Conmebol (with no direct involvement of Concacaf in it), and the other a special edition of the first which also included Concacaf, not only as invited guests to it, but with their direct involvement in its organization, reasons why it was one of their own, whom hosted it.

Btw, the Confederation Cup, only considers spots for those who are Continental champions, the host and the recent WC champion. Not for those who happen to win a mixed Confed type of tournaments or special editions. If anyone wants to also include Argentina in it, they would be going and only considered, as finalists or second placed team in Copa America 2015 or as finalist or second placed at the 2014 WC. Never as the eventual winner of the Copa America-Centenario (if they happen to win it, which still hasn't happened).

 

That's how it should be. But I'd bet that if Argentina were to somehow be allowed to compete in the Confederations the FIFA website will note Argentina as champions of Copa America Centenario because "champions" of something sounds better than "runners-up" of whatever.

 

Sure.
FIFA is not going to do that, or else, other Confeds would jump in, right away that they should also be entitled to get more of their teams in the Confed Cup, based on the same arguments by which FIFA would be allowing Argentina to participate in the Confed cup.
Remember, that CAF (Africa), not only play 2 African Nations cups in any given 4 year cycle (where only one of them gets tickets to the Confed cup), but they also play the African Nations Championship, which is also a "special" multi team event. I believe AFC (not sure though), also may have something similar. And for future events, Concacaf could also start asking for another spot for their second Gold cup champ.

So if FIFA decides to include one more team, with almost absolute certainty, Infantino would have many other members (with a strong voting power on their hands), "knocking on his door" to allow more of their teams in, and that would lead to some new type of tournament with lots more teams in it (than the current 8 teams), and of course it would be the "stone" which would finish with whatever prestige the Confed cup may have nowdays, and of course, of the WC (FIFA's "cherry on top of the cake"), as well.

It is too much in stake, by simply getting one more aditional team in the tournament. A team that actually doesn't really deserve any kind of special treatment on their behalf. They had their chances 2 times, and they blew it in both.

 

Cue shizzle787 starting a new thread: "The advantages of a 16 team Confederations Cup".

 

If that ever happens in no time they will want to expand it to 32 teams.....

 

AFC has had secondary national team tournaments but they were only for teams of lesser ability. They had what they called a challenge Cup for teams that were classed as emerging (the lowest of three groupings, the others being developed and developing). Many developing nations also used to compete here with some choosing the Asian Cup as their preferred tournament. The winners of the AFC Challenge Cups got spots in the AFC Asian Cup Finals. Now Asia has expended the Asian Cup to 24 all teams were involved in Asian Cup qualifying to some extent. They have created another tournament for teams that lost playoffs to the qualifiers so that they can still have some competitive games, but its only the minnows in this competition.

If FIFA wanted to shoehorn Argentina into the Confed Cup the only legitimate way they can do it is as World Cup runners up and only if Germany win Euro 2016 and UEFA are happy to only have two teams at the tournament.

 

Obviously with six confederations some of them will get multiple teams in an 8 team Confederations Cup, but qualification is straightforward. With 16 teams there would be more debate about how many teams per confederation like people debate for the World Cup.

 

See "Steve's Postulate on Soccer Tournament Sizes" (copyright, trademark, registered, patent pending) You've just proven it twice in two posts:
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/2013-qualifiers.1948312/#post-26437876