2017-18 MLS Offseason Roster Moves

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by carnifex2005, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Mike Grella (fail), Sacha Kljestan (success), and Luis Robles (eh) are the three that come to mind for the Red Bulls. Robles and Kljestan have been immense for the club since returning to the US, while Grella had his moments.

    Agudelo came back to New England after his quixotic journey to Stoke and Utrecht.
     
  2. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    SKC doesn't buy national team players, we produce them. :ROFLMAO:

    No but seriously, the only guy I can think of who came to SKC after being in Europe / USMNT was Feilhaber after a stop in New England. He worked out pretty well for us.
     
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  3. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Vancouver sign the Venezuelan Octovio Rivero.



    I'm joking, I really have no clue about this kid except the VWFC doesn't have the best track record with forwards.
     
  4. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i gues you just must have started watching MLS recently? im speaking more historically.

    the list is sooo long......and "fail" can also include just not able to sign with a new euro team anymore, imo

    off the top of my head:
    brek shea, eddie johnson, altidore, fielhaber, nguyen, agudelo, gatt, parkhurst, etc etc there's a lot more names i could add if i did more research.....


    point is that if europe doesnt work out MLS is always there as a fallback.....and its there if it does work out too.....can you think of many players who went to europe and werent able to sign with MLS afterwards? i cant.
     
  5. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Biggest issue is knowing how many players MLS teams have passed on because they just weren't interested. It is easy to say which players were signed but it is much harder to say which were passed on. We know that Eugene Starikov ended up in the NASL after having a trial with Minnesota (I think). Looking in the NASL I also see Jemal Johnson and Cristian Ibeagha as players that went overseas at some point but never ended up in MLS. Villyan Bijev comes to mind in the USL as well.

    The other is the number of young players that have bypassed MLS and not come back to MLS, either because they didn't want to or because an MLS team didn't want them. Some now end up on II teams (like Danny Barbir did last year) but some just disappear never to be heard from again like Vincenzo Bernardo (a NYRB academy kid that signed with Napoli in 2008. Bounced to a couple euro clubs and ended up in Harrisburg for 6 months in 2011 and now maybe plays in one of those amateur leagues in Florida).

    But if we are just talking players that leave MLS and would be welcomed back you have Cole Grossman and Bobby Warshaw off the top of my head. Unless, of course, we are only talking players that are starters now then, yeah, they'd be welcomed back to MLS because they are likely still better than a good number of the bench players and most of them kill their market value in MLS by leaving.
     
  6. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    • Shea: came back for a salary equal to what he was making when he left and MLS spent next to nothing (if not nothing) to get him back after
    • Eddie Johnson: His salary in 2013 for Seattle was 156k. He came back to MLS for peanuts compared to what he was making. Of course an MLS team would take a risk on that.
    • Altidore: Yup. Sunderland was a dumb move. However everyone is screaming for Miazga to play for the USMNT and he plays in the same league that Altidore killed. But, if you want to call him a failure than that is ok cause it is a common refrain and one I sort of understand, even if I don't agree.
    • Feilhaber: was a starter for most of his seasons in Denmark.
    • Nguyen: MLS signed him for like the league minium (or not much more since he was making 80k in 2013) and far less than he was making in the V-League. He had to take a pay cut just to come here.
    • Agudelo: Seriously? I'm assuming because he didn't make it at Stoke? He only wanted to play in England and when his work permit got rejected the second time he left Stoke and came back to MLS. Pretty sure he had interest from several Euro teams but he only wanted to play in the EPL.
    • Gatt: Yeah. Several major knee injuries is a failure. I wouldn't have taken him at 200k but Minnesota thought it was a good risk, particularly since it wasn't a guaranteed deal (hence why he is unemployed after a year).
    • Parkhurst: A starter in Denmark. Yeah, didn't do well in Germany. Came back to MLS in hopes to beat out someone like Besler by playing in MLS in front of Klinnsman so he could go to WC14. Signed for 300k while Besler got a raise that year to 633k.
    Of course MLS will welcome you back when you are likely making less than what you would have if you started in MLS and stayed there.
     
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  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    please go back and re-read my posts in this thread carefully.

    what youve written here has barely any connection to what i have written....i dont understand what you are trying to imply or how what youve written here connects to my thoughts in any substantive manner.
     
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, it's right on. You said failures in Europe are welcomed with open arms in MLS. I (and, it seems, PhillyMLS) take issue of your definition of a failure, and then also whether the players were welcomed with open arms. Do you mean anyone who comes back - who fail to get the next contract - or people who either didn't play or played poorly? Parkhurst for example - how exactly did he fail in Europe? Feilhaber?
     
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  9. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    In general, MLS is paying a bit more for Americans than anywhere else. So they are welcoming quite a few, not just "failures". The only guys going to Europe are doing so because A) they are very young and have hopes of the big four leagues B) weren't good enough for MLS and went to a small Euro league or C) were raised in Europe. Virtually all other Americans worthy of playing MLS level are playing in MLS. I think Wood, Lichaj, Hamid and Cameron are the only ones.

    That said it's always best to have a second offer in hand. Get a decent offer from Europe and MLS will tend to match or exceed it.
     
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  10. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's like other jobs that way. If your boss knows someone else will give you 35% more, your chance at a raise is pretty good even if you don't want to leave.
     
  11. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
  12. PhillyMLS

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    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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  14. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
  15. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I disagree about Kann, he was never impressive IMHO.

    But I also wonder what Hildebrandt is thinking. He could certainly start for a few MLS teams but, barring injuries, in Atlanta he'll sit on the bench for a couple of seasons before he returns to the minors.
     
  16. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    I guess impressive was probably the wrong word without a qualifier attached to it. Impressive for a backup that wasn't supposed to be a starter nut had to for half a season? Honestly, his GAA and Save Percentage are equal to quite a few starters from last year. Yeah, I know that those stats are always going to be skewed by things like the performance of the defense in front of the keeper. But he wasn't a bad second string keeper this year and I'm really not sure that Mitch is an upgrade (US Open Cup heroics aside).

    Unrelated:

     
  17. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. No. No. no.
     
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  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'll be here pulling for D.C. to make another marquee acquisition. ;)
     
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  19. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So put DC down as a maybe?
     
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  20. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    If DCU does get him, I know where I’m buying my tires from.



    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  21. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  22. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Lot of smoke around this one right now. Sort of want it to happen just so I can watch the PES Stats Database forum implode. I like going in there to get a read on players that I've never heard of or seen from South America. Several lost their collective sh!t when Almiron came. Can only imagine what they do for a top Argentine teenage prospect.
     
  23. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I'm really curious to see how the Atlanta HGPs and their academy kids respond to seeing a $12m 18 year old. Hopefully it will be a positive competitive feedback.
     
  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Barco is a monster in my FIFA career mode. 87 rated by 2022. I don't know anything about him other than that.
     
  25. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Matarrita re-ups! Good move by NYCFC. Sure seemed to me after Mata went down to injury, offensive production suffered.....especially that of Jack Harrison. Well, Harrison and any other guy not named David Villa.
     

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