2016 USL Attendance thread

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  1. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know quite how to take this, exactly.

    I know why it is not feasible at this point in history. I know that it won't have all the miraculous curative effects many of its adherents insist it will. But I'm not opposed to the concept.

    For that, I get labelled all sorts of things by people who think renting an airplane to pull a sign is a reasonable course of action.
     
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  2. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I found the discrepancy. Pittsburgh tweeted 3,122 while the game was still underway:


    And in a few match reports it shows the same 3,122, including one on Pittsburgh's official website (archived because it no longer exists).

    However, the USL match report (archived data) says 3,801.
     
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #thestruggleisreal
     
  4. greenroom

    greenroom BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8466 in San Antonio.. a Toyota Field Record!!
     
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  5. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So OKC Energy drew 6,455 and Rayo OKC drew 5,851 playing at the same time. Regardless of how many tickets Rayo gave out for free (though I think it's funny that the Energy's match report specifies it's paid attendance), there were 12k+ between the two of them and that's impressive for Oklahoma City as a market.
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, they actually played at the same time? Interesting.
     
  7. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #57 thomas19064, Apr 10, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
    Great number!





    . This paired with San Antonio and good turnouts in OKC and Louisville, probably the biggest cluster of numbers USL has ever seen on a single weekend.
     
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  8. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is impressive. Good for them.
     
  9. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #59 Prosoccercdn, Apr 10, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
    So you assume Rayo OKC gave out free tickets but Energy didn't? Don't kid yourself, Energy gave out free tickets. Most pro sports teams do to an extent. Funk's known for it and also has a history of it with his folded hockey team as well.

    That is funny that the match report claims it was all paid attendance, they're trying way too hard.

    Almost the opposite of the home openers when Rayo OKC drew 6400+ and Energy drew 5600+ although they didn't play on the same date for those.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #60 xbhaskarx, Apr 10, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
    I think attendance would be maximized if teams were in locations that are underserved by professional soccer and if they had their own name and branding that was specific to that location.

    I don't think it's about having as many names and colors and badges and scarves as possible, it's about creating an identity that fans can embrace. And finding fans who are looking to embrace a new team. And not only the awful "Team 2" names but also the crests with 2 slapped on as an afterthought, do hurt that. I mean who is going to invest their fandom (time, money, emotions) in a team that doesn't even take the time and care to get a graphic designer? Who would buy "Galaxy 2" merchandise and proudly wear it? Who would go to "2" games at a stadium where a far superior team plays 17-24 times a year? Aside from a few outliers like Portland where there is a 10k waiting list for season ticket holders, most of the fans in attendance are going to be the few hundred hardcore-est of the hardcore, and people who get free tickets. Take the Galaxy 2, if they found some other stadium (perhaps a college) and were the Inland Empire FC (just as an example), people in an area that currently has no soccer teams would not only have an option nearby (most are not driving two hours to Galaxy games, and none are for Galaxy 2 games), but it would have a name / crest that represents their area and they would be proud to wear. And it's close enough that the players could keep training in Carson.

    I think that kind of arrangement is the future, and we're already starting to see it. RSL went with a separate brand name in Real Monarchs, and have been trying to get a separate stadium. Swope Park Rangers have their own brand even if they're in the same metropolitan area. Bethlehem Steel have their own brand and are in a separate area that didn't have a pro team. RGV Toros, own brand, separate area. Orlando City kept the brand but put their team in a separate area. And now we find out the Sounders are looking to do something different and have considered Spokane and Boise before likely settling on Tacoma. I think it's far more likely for the Red Bull 2s of the world to move in that direction than for Bethlehem Steel to become the Philly Union 2 and play in Chester.

    That system works for the other American sports league that's most concerned with player development at lower levels, baseball, so it's not just some fantasy of soccer nerds. There is money to be made in higher attendance at games, and the selling of merchandise, it doesn't make much sense to leave it on the table when that could help cover the costs of the USL team.
     
  11. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not assuming anything about free tickets. I never said Rayo gave out a lot of free tickets and the Energy didn't. There was a discussion on the NASL boards about the number of free tickets given out by the club and my post said that regardless of that, 12k+ is impressive for the market. You can substitute Rayo for Energy in my previous point if you like and the point is exactly the same.
     
  12. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The Barons rarely gave out free tickets. The Blazers did, but that was with Lund (the Rayo GM) as the GM.

    Yes, the Energy give out some free tickets, and so has Rayo: but the respective numbers aren't equal. It's like saying that I have slept with some women, and so has Ron Jeremy.
     
  13. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of the tix in Tulsa are sold behind the goals, with a large fraction on the grassy knoll (Do they call it something else? If not, I'm using this). This is cherrypicking.
     
  14. davideinstein

    davideinstein Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We just call it the lawn. 4100 is for sure accurate for last week. I haven't seen an official number but there were probably around 5500 last night. Lots of kids in town for the Lexus Cup. OKC and Tulsa pretty much pull about the same for each game it seems.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #65 kenntomasch, Apr 10, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
    "Maximizing attendance" is not the raison d'etre of these teams, though.

    They're about player development.

    The number one way to maximize attendance is to have actual humans working to sell actual tickets (particularly groups) every day, whether the team has a 2 on the end of it or not. Toronto FC II doesn't draw because they don't try. NYRB2 doesn't draw because they don't try. How do S2 and T2 draw, again?

    So you're saying "FC Cincinnati" is an inspired bit of branding, then? Must have been that what brought out 14k last night.

    Jesucristo. You know some people just ********ing like to go watch soccer games, right?

    Has anyone ever said, "Well, that center forward is quite a player, but they don't have a ********ing graphic designer, so I'm out?
     
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  16. davideinstein

    davideinstein Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just heard attendance was 4011 for Tulsa. Seemed like more, but that's probably because our supporter groups are growing on both ends and that's where I'm at.
     
  17. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    I follow T2 primarily as its easier to obtain tickets (hasn't sold out like the first team does for every game) and tickets are much cheaper. $10 vs $40 for cheapest tickets or $8/game vs $22/game for season ticket holders. Becouls Providence park is sold out for every game, there are potential fans turned away from games, but if they want to go to a game then they can go to T2 or Thorns and as already stated if timbers moved the USL team too Eugene then that would crush Lane United's ambitions of a USL team once they finish rebuilding the Civic stadium there. One last point T2 were the best supported reserve team last year and are an example how a reserve team can still draw big crowds (sorta). Montreal on the other hand don't seem to want to get any fans at games.
     
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  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3,588 in Charleston
    5,298 in Louisville

    Others not found yet.
     
  19. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm glad we outdrew Rayo. I'm stunned we outdrew Louisville.
     
  20. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Louisville getting shown up by Cincy... if those numbers hold the odds of their MLS push working out go from 0.01% to 0.00%.
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Having big crowds helps with player development, because the whole point is to have as close to a replication of MLS as possible. Playing in front of 500 won't even prepare these kids for games in Bridgeview.

    2. There is a big cost to player development, whether it's the academies or the USL team. Selling more tickets and merchandise would help defray those expenses.
     
  22. Brother Badgerjohn

    Oct 16, 2000
    Okie City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chicago is flirting with the bottom of league attendance. 500 fans may be the perfect prep.
     
  23. davideinstein

    davideinstein Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there is a difference on gate attendance and sold attendance going on. At the end of the day, OKC is selling more tickets but I question the in person attendance.
     
  24. davideinstein

    davideinstein Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Louisville and Tulsa might be dealing with the same issue: Nobody likes seeing soccer in a minor league baseball stadium.
     
  25. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Said anyone ever that disagreed with attendance numbers in any year in every sport...
     
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