2016 US Open Cup qualifying thread (yes, 2016)

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  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    There are only 18 USL teams eligible:
    Charleston, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Harrisburg, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Richmond, Rochester, Wilmington,
    Arizona, Colorado Springs, Oklahoma City, Orange County, RGVFC, Sacramento, Saint Louis, San Antonio, Tulsa

    Puerto Rican teams usually do not participate in the Open Cup since they are sanctioned by the Puerto Rican Football Federation. Their teams participate in the CFU Club Championship.
     
  2. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    #52 SJJ, Jan 23, 2016
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2016
    Ah, got it. I did the drop-down of Clubs listing from the header, and saw 30 teams. I then just tossed out the 3 Canadian and 8 owned teams. So Austin is still on that list, but not playing this season.

    so pulling out the spreadsheet again:

    roundnewinfocarry overmatches
    124of 36 amateur12
    230USL (18), amateur (12)1221
    39NASL (9)2115
    417MLS (17)1516
    80total


    or

    roundnewinfocarry overmatches
    122of 35 amateur11
    231USL (18), amateur (13)1121
    39NASL (9)2115
    417MLS (17)1516
    79total
     
  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Hey, I called it! At least eliminating the final round of the qualifying tournament.

    http://thecup.us/2016/02/03/final-r...eled-remaining-14-amateur-teams-punch-ticket/

    Now we'll have to wait and see if I correctly predicted the format but I like my chances.
     
  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #54 newtex, Feb 4, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2016
    Hmmm. My old guess won't work since things have changed in the USL and NASL.

    42 amateur teams
    18 USL teams
    9 NASL teams
    17 MLS teams

    So I will predict,
    Give 6 amateur teams a bye into the 2nd round and you get this,

    Round 1: 36 amateur teams, 18 games
    Round 2: 18 winners plus 6 amateur and 18 USL teams, 21 games
    Round 3: 21 winners plus 9 NASL teams, 15 games
    Round 4: 15 winners plus 17 MLS teams, 16 games

    And I wind up pretty similar to what SJJ has but with the higher number of amateur teams. Still has the same number of games from Round 2 onward.
     
  5. mikehurst21

    mikehurst21 Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Nov 6, 2013
    Moore Oklahoma
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    United States
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Hmmm. I thought there were 42 amateur teams but there are 48?

    Round 1: 48 amateur teams, 24 games
    Round 2: 24 winners and 18 USL teams, 21 games
    Round 3: 21 winners plus 9 NASL teams, 15 games
    Round 4: 15 winners plus 17 MLS teams, 16 games
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yep, they have increased the number of teams even beyond the extra 6 from the qualifying tournament.

    Last fall they said:

    Originally,
    PDL - 15 teams
    NPSL - 13 teams
    Tournament - 8 teams

    Now there are,
    PDL - 19 teams
    NPSL - 15 teams
    Tournament - 14 teams
     
  8. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    Qualified via 2015 NPSL playoffs:
    AFC Cleveland (Ohio)
    CD Aguiluchos USA (Calif.)
    Chattanooga FC* (Tenn.)
    Clarkstown SC Eagles (N.Y.)
    Indiana Fire
    Myrtle Beach Mutiny (S.C.)
    Sacramento Gold (Calif.)

    At-Large Berths previously awarded:
    Atlanta Silverbacks Reserves
    FC Wichita (Kan.)
    Fredericksburg FC (Va.)
    Miami Fusion FC;

    At-Large Berths newly awarded:
    Chesterfield United FC (Va.)
    Corinthians FC of San Antonio (Texas)
    Detroit City FC*
    Kraze United (Florida).

    Cosmos B and New York Athletic Club, previously awarded places in the 2016 competition, have withdrawn.
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    That's 92 clubs, which I'm assuming is the most that have ever been in a U.S. Open Cup, and the same amount that are in the English Capital One Cup.
     
  10. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    So have we just come to the point where the number of amateur (Open) teams are calculated after all of the Pro teams are known?

    A - number of Division I teams [or "enter in fourth round"]
    B - number of Division II teams [or "enter in third round"]
    C - number of Division III teams [or "enter in second round"]
    D - number of Open teams [or "enter in first round"]

    teams in first round: D
    teams in second round: C + (D/2)
    teams in third round: B + (C + (D/2))/2
    teams in fourth round: A + (B + (C + (D/2))/2)/2

    so

    A + (B + (C + (D/2))/2)/2 = 32

    or solving for D:

    (B + (C + (D/2))/2)/2 = 32 - A

    B + (C + (D/2))/2 = 2 * (32 - A)

    (C + (D/2))/2 = 2 * (32 - A) - B

    C + (D/2) = 2 * (2 * (32 - A) - B)

    D/2 = 2 * (2 * (32 - A) - B) - C

    D = 2 * (2 * (2 * (32 - A) - B) - C)

    so

    D = 2 * (2 * (2 * (32 - 17) - 9) - 18)

    D = 48
     
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  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Sure looks like it.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Your math is fine, but rather than work with so many parenthesis and fractions, I multiplied both sides by 8 to get:

    8A + 4B + 2C + D = 256

    Then I substitituted in A, B, and C to get:

    136 + 36 + 36 + D = 256
    208 + D = 256
    D = 48
     
  13. olujosh

    olujosh Member

    Aug 23, 1999
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Country:
    United States
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    RGVFC is out.

    So now we have this:

    Round 1: 48 amateur teams, 24 games
    Round 2: 24 winners and 17 USL teams, ? games
    Round 3: 21 winners plus 9 NASL teams, 15 games
    Round 4: 15 winners plus 17 MLS teams, 16 games

    I guess someone gets a bye in the 2nd Round.
     
  15. olujosh

    olujosh Member

    Aug 23, 1999
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Country:
    United States
    Kitsap and Chattanooga gets byes into Round 2
     
  16. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    I hate when clubs play in one round and then get a bye in the next round. I like giving two clubs a bye in Round 1 better than one club getting a bye in Round 2.
     
  18. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yeah, now that I think about it and see what the USSF did it makes sense.

    Round 1: 46 amateur teams, 23 games
    Round 2: 23 winners plus 2 amateur teams and 17 USL teams, 21 games
    Round 3: 21 winners plus 9 NASL teams, 15 games
    Round 4: 15 winners plus 17 MLS teams, 16 games
     
  19. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Country:
    United States
    So is there a 2017 qualifying thread already?
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Qualifying is now done pretty much by the standings in the PDL and NPSL or through the amateur tournament run by the USSF.

    The PDL season hasn't started yet. The NPSL has started in some regions but none of the regions will finish until later in the summer. The USSF amateur qualifying tournament will start in the fall.
     
  22. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    Richmond Strikers NPSL will play host to Aromas Cafe FC in the first round of the prestigious US OPEN Cup. The winner will advanced to the next round where they will face the Richmond Kickers at City Stadium!
    When: Wednesday May 11th at 5pm
    Where: Martinoli Stadium at Striker Park
    Address:
    4801 Pouncey Tract Rd
    Glen Allen, VA 23059
    Cost: $3 Adults $2 Kids
    Be our 12th Man and help us to victory!
     
  23. Cirris

    Cirris Member+

    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Live match ongoing on Youtube...


    Craze SC vs The Villages SC
     
  24. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    NKY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Country:
    United States
    Seems to me that PDL didn't have as good of a year this year as they have in the past. Bucks out early, that's the biggest loss for PDL...in my opinion.

    @kenntomasch you have any first-round stats? I always look forward to your feedback on this.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The PDL went 9-9 in the first round this year compared to 11-8 last year and 2-3 back in 2014. Not a huge difference.
     
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