2016 U.S. Open Cup schedule

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by newtex, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. JBG - Bribe Taker

    Mar 17, 2000
    Mt. Pleasant, SC
    Club:
    Charleston
    Country:
    United States
    FYI, that 2008 semi-final in Charleston was against the Seattle Sounders when they were still in USL, (their last year in the league). So, MLS wasn't "outbid" in that instance.
     
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  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The question was, "Since MLS started, what's the latest round a club below MLS has hosted a game in?"
    Charleston v. Seattle in 2008 was still a late round game hosted by a lower division team.

    Who said anything about MLS being outbid? I was just pointing out that hosting used to be under a different system so it is hard to compare the different eras. Before the current draw system a lower division team hosting in the later rounds was going to be rare. The fact that that semifinal was USL against USL obviously increased the chances of a USL team hosting. If it had been Charleston v. MLS Seattle then they almost certainly would not have hosted since Seattle would have out-bid them.

    Notice my second caveat about neutral sites. That also lowered the chances of a lower division team hosting in the late rounds.
     
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  3. JBG - Bribe Taker

    Mar 17, 2000
    Mt. Pleasant, SC
    Club:
    Charleston
    Country:
    United States
    Whoa, stand down Professor Newtex, I wasn't looking for a fight or trying to contradict anything anyone else had said, just pointing out something that hadn't been mentioned since there was also discussion about bidding on this thread.
     
  4. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    [​IMG] 90+5'
    Arizona United SC
    0 - 3
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC

    [​IMG] 71'
    Sacramento Republic FC
    1 - 3
    Kitsap Pumas

    June 1
    AET
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers *
    1 - 1
    Richmond Kickers

    June 2
    AET
    Jacksonville Armada FC
    2 - 1
    Charleston Battery
    FT

    Rochester Rhinos
    2 - 0
    Lansdowne Bhoys FC
    AET

    Carolina RailHawks
    5 - 0
    Charlotte Independence
    FT

    Chattanooga FC
    1 - 2
    Harrisburg City Islanders
    FT

    Indy Eleven
    2 - 1
    Louisville City FC
    FT

    New York Cosmos
    2 - 0
    Jersey Express
    FT

    Tampa Bay Rowdies
    1 - 0
    FC Cincinnati
    FT

    Saint Louis FC
    0 - 2
    Minnesota United
    FT

    Miami FC
    1 - 2
    Wilmington Hammerheads
    FT

    Des Moines Menace
    1 - 2
    San Antonio FC
    AET

    Rayo OKC
    1 - 2
    OKC Energy FC
    FT

    La Maquina FC
    2 - 0
    Los Angeles Wolves
     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    the 2 late game finals:

    FT
    Arizona United SC
    0 - 3
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC

    FT
    Sacramento Republic FC
    1 - 3
    Kitsap Pumas
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    3rd round
    Home teams went 8-7 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    NASL 7-2
    USL 6-8
    USASA 1-2
    PDL 1-2
    NPSL 0-1

    After a terrible 3rd round last year losing every game against the USL, this year the NASL went 6-2 against the USL.

    For the entire tournament so far:
    Home teams have went 34-24 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    NASL 7-2
    USL 20-11
    USASA 11-11
    USSSA 1-1
    PDL 12-17
    NPSL 8-15
    USCS 0-1
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #59 newtex, Jun 2, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2016
    Fourth Round
    Home team first. Times are EDT.
    MLS teams enter the tournament.

    Tuesday, June 14
    Real Salt Lake v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 10:00 pm
    Portland Timbers v. San Jose Earthquakes 10:30 pm

    Wednesday, June 15
    New York City FC v. New York Cosmos (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Philadelphia Union v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:00 pm
    Columbus Crew v. Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada (NASL) v. Orlando City 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (NASL) v. New York Red Bulls 7:00 pm
    Carolina RailHawks (NASL) v. New England Revolution 7:30 pm
    DC United v. Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Minnesota United (NASL) v. Sporting Kansas City 8:00 pm
    Chicago Fire v. Indy Eleven (NASL) 8:30 pm
    FC Dallas v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:30 pm
    Houston Dynamo v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Colorado Rapids v. Co. Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:00 pm
    Seattle Sounders v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm
    LA Galaxy v. La Maquina (CA)(USASA) 10:30 pm

    The 5th round is June 29.
     
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  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    ROUND 4 AWAY TEAM SCORE HOME TEAM VENUE
    June 15 Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:00 Philadelphia Union (MLS) Talen Energy Stadium – Chester, PA
    June 15 Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) 7:00 Columbus Crew (MLS) Jesse Owens Memorial Stadium – Columbus, OH
    June 15 Orlando City SC (MLS) 7:00 Jacksonville Armada (NASL) Southern Oak Stadium – Jacksonville, FL
    June 15 New York Cosmos (NASL) 7:00 New York City FC (MLS) Fordham University – Bronx, NY
    June 15 NYRB (MLS) 7:05 Rochester Rhinos (USL) Rhinos Stadium – Rochester, NY
    June 15 New England Revolution (MLS) 7:30 Carolina RailHawks (NASL) WakeMed Soccer Park – Cary, NC
    June 15 Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 7:30 DC United (MLS) Maryland Soccerplex – Boyds, MD
    June 15 Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 8:00 Minnesota United (NASL) National Sports Center – Blaine, MN
    June 15 Indy Eleven (NASL) 8:30 Chicago Fire (MLS) Toyota Park – Bridgeview, IL
    June 15 Oklahoma City Energy (USL) 8:30 FC Dallas (MLS) Westcott Field – Dallas, TX
    June 15 San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 Houston Dynamo (MLS) BBVA Compass Stadium – Houston, TX
    June 15 Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:00 Colorado Rapids (MLS) Dick’s Sporting Goods Park – Commerce City, CO
    June 15 Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 10:00 Real Salt Lake (MLS) Rio Tinto Stadium – Sandy, UT
    June 15 Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 Seattle Sounders FC (MLS) Starfire Sports Complex – Tukwila, WA
    June 15 San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 10:30 Portland Timbers (MLS) Providence Park – Portland, OR
    June 15 La Maquina (USASA) 10:30 Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS) StubHub Center – Carson, CA
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    So the winner of NYCFC v NYC plays the NYRB (?)
     
  11. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 3rd round update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

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    PDL picked up some points, continuing its rise throughout this year's tournament. The NPSL score is now final. The USASA score you'd only really expect to go up at this point. They will be heavy underdogs against MLS competition, even if they *do* play the Galaxy, who have a history of fielding inferior squads. Since they are heavy underdogs in that game, their score basically won't go down by much if they lose, but it will go up tons if they pull the upset.

    EDIT: thecup.us has a messed up result for the Jacksonville game, I've corrected it in the score above, and rewritten my comments on NASL and USL.
    NASL made up some ground against USL, basically switching their scores with each other. They weren't far out from equal at the end of last year, and that stays true so far, but in the other direction. They were able to go 6-2 against USL this year. However, 7 of those games were at home, where you'd expect them to win more often than not.
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Not necessarily. After the next round the USSF will divide the remaining 16 teams into 4 geographic groups and then have a draw to determine a fixed bracket for the last rounds.

    The winners of the NYCFC/Cosmos game and the winner of the Rochester/Red Bulls game would probably be in the game group of 4 but they might not get paired up in the Round of 16.
     
  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    I disagree. ;)
     
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  14. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Shh, it's a trick to keep the haters away.

    If you claim that something isn't popular, but you're posting it anyways, people who hate it will be less likely to post about it!

    BUT if you leave out any claims, or imply that someone might like it, and someone hates it, they will spam the thread with how much they hate it and the poster should die in a fire.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Country:
    United States
    Third round crowds:

    OKC - 4,385
    Tampa Bay - 3,455
    Chattanooga - 2,595
    St. Louis - 2,358
    Indy - 2,145
    Carolina - 1,769
    Des Moines - 1,754
    Arizona - 1,750
    Jacksonville - 1,200
    Cosmos - 984
    Miami - 300
    Ft. Lauderdale - 200

    I got nothing on Rochester (tickets were free), LA Wolves or (surprisingly) Sacramento.

    The only other crowd figures I have for this year are from the 2nd round:

    Cincinnati - 8,668
    Chattanooga - 3,614
    Rochester - 1,371

    If anyone has any others, please share.
     
  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    The NYCFC vs. Cosmos game will be on YES for NYCFC and One World Sports for the Cosmos. I'm wondering when the last time was that a soccer game was on TV simultaneously on two English channels available in the same place (either two national channels or one national channel and one regional channel). When the Red Bulls went to the Cosmos in the 2014 U.S. Open Cup, One World Sports showed the game, but I don't think MSG had Red Bulls coverage of it. Last year's NYCFC vs. Red Bulls MLS games were all on national TV. What channel(s) showed the games when Los Angeles Galaxy played Chivas USA?
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Updated:

    Fourth Round

    Home team first. Times are EDT.
    MLS teams enter the tournament.

    Tuesday, June 14
    Colorado Rapids v. Co. Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:00 pm
    Real Salt Lake v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 10:00 pm
    Portland Timbers v. San Jose Earthquakes 10:30 pm
    LA Galaxy v. La Maquina (CA)(USASA) 10:30 pm

    Wednesday, June 15
    New York City FC v. New York Cosmos (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Philadelphia Union v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:00 pm
    Columbus Crew v. Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada (NASL) v. Orlando City 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (NASL) v. New York Red Bulls 7:00 pm
    Carolina RailHawks (NASL) v. New England Revolution 7:30 pm
    DC United v. Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Minnesota United (NASL) v. Sporting Kansas City 8:00 pm
    Chicago Fire v. Indy Eleven (NASL) 8:30 pm
    FC Dallas v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:30 pm
    Houston Dynamo v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Seattle Sounders v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm

    The 5th round is June 29.
     
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  18. FootySkeptic

    FootySkeptic Member

    Sep 24, 2015
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    You really want the Rhinos in the NASL, eh?
     
  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    Well.. They were a founding member of TOA before going back to USL.
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I could have sworn I fixed that.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Corrected:

    Fourth Round

    Home team first. Times are EDT.
    MLS teams enter the tournament.

    Tuesday, June 14
    Colorado Rapids v. Co. Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:00 pm
    Real Salt Lake v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 10:00 pm
    Portland Timbers v. San Jose Earthquakes 10:30 pm
    LA Galaxy v. La Maquina (CA)(USASA) 10:30 pm

    Wednesday, June 15
    New York City FC v. New York Cosmos (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Philadelphia Union v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:00 pm
    Columbus Crew v. Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada (NASL) v. Orlando City 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) v. New York Red Bulls 7:00 pm
    Carolina RailHawks (NASL) v. New England Revolution 7:30 pm
    DC United v. Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Minnesota United (NASL) v. Sporting Kansas City 8:00 pm
    Chicago Fire v. Indy Eleven (NASL) 8:30 pm
    FC Dallas v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:30 pm
    Houston Dynamo v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Seattle Sounders v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm

    The 5th round is June 29.
     
  22. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    #73 SJJ, Jun 13, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2016
    OK, Kiddies, it's Quickie Prediction Time!

    MLS team most like to fall to a lower-division opponent (14 in the series; collect them all).

    I would go with NASL First-Half-Whatever-They-Call-That champion Indy Eleven over last-place-in-the-MLS Chicago Fire.
     
  23. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    ...or fifteen in a series; collect them all.
     
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  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/201...lose-no-cupsets-first-night-usoc-fourth-round

    Colorado Rapids 1:0 Colorado Springs
    Real Salt Lake 2:2 Wilmington (Wilmington led 2:0, Real Salt Lake won penalty kicks 3:1)
    Portland 2:0 San Jose
    Los Angeles 4:1 La Maquina (1:1 after regulation)

    Kitsap Pumas is the last amateur side left, although if they lose tonight they should split the top amateur club prize money with La Maquina.
     

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