2016-17 Offseason "Draft's" consolidated thread

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  1. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thought one thread for these might be better over Expansion, Re-Entry, SuperDraft(s), etc.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Expansion Draft rules: MIN and ATL will each select 5 players, no team can lose more than 1 player. So that means 10 teams will lose 1 player, 10 teams will lose 0 players.

    Expansion Draft protection: 11 players can be protected. 3 international players must be protected. HG's and GA's are automatically protected on top of the 11 players. I think all of our GA's will have graduated due to playing time (Miller, Hairston, and technically MacMath and Howard) but Calvert, Pfeffer, and Serna will be protected as HG's (Calvert's and Pfeffer's HG status carried over after their acquisition according to the list posted on MLSSoccer.com in Sept.).
     
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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2017 Superdraft picks:

    1st round - None, traded for JJ (would have been pick #20)
    2nd round - None, traded for MacMath (would have been pick #42)
    3rd round - None, traded for Conor Doyle (would have been pick #64)
    4th round - Pick #86

    Also for future reference our fist round pick in 2018 was traded to Montreal for Miller and we have a conditional pick coming to us from DC in 2018 in the Sarvas trade.
     
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  4. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    Not going to happen but off season is when we revons plus grand.
     
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  5. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is a modified version of the Expansion Draft list I posted earlier that's now adjusted to consider Serna, Calvert, and Pfeffer automatically protected as HG players.

    Homegrown Players (automatically protected)
    Serna
    Pfeffer
    Calvert

    The 11 Players to Protect
    Cronin
    Howard
    Sjoberg
    Gashi
    Hairston
    Azira
    Badji
    Watts
    Miller
    MacMath
    Burling

    Unprotected Players
    Powers
    Greenspan
    Williams
    Burch
    Berner
    K. Doyle
    Jones
    Le Toux
    St. Ledger
    Castillo
    Pappa
    C. Doyle

    Out On Loan (exempt from draft?)
    Ramirez
     
  6. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 25, 2006
    Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't argue with Quinn's list. Just hope K Doyle doesn't get picked.
     
  7. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am torn if Howard needs Protecting (If no movement in contract he must be on list). But the highest paid GK in MLS who will miss start of season with injury recovery time has me thinking- no protect.
     
  8. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only real difficult decision is between Burch and Burling. I think you could argue either way on them, but I went with Burling because CB depth is a greater need for us right now and we still have Williams if Burch is picked.
    He's our marquee player that has helped sell more shirts, filled more seats, and brought in more sponsor revenue than anybody else on the roster. Exposing him would be absolutely insane.
     
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  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm also 100% sure (or as sure as I can be without seeing the actual contract or talking to somebody who has) that he has a no-trade clause so we have to protect him. There's no way Tim comes back to MLS from England without a no-trade clause and a guaranteed contract.
     
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  10. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I can't believe he'd sign a big contract here without a no-trade clause.

    Even if that wasn't the case...the club put in a ton of work, made a bunch of deals, and horded allocation to get him. They literally gambled half of the season on him. He instantly became one of the most marketable players in all of MLS, even before he played a game in Colorado. He also put up some big performances, and had a major hand in getting us into the Western Conference Final.

    There is absolutely no way any club would put themselves in a situation where another club could just swoop in and grab him for nothing.
     
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  11. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahh, you make it sound like they had a "plan" which from evidence we have they didn't and just got lucky Howard decided to come back to MLS.

    But as I stated, I really would question anyone claiming he didn't have a "No Movement" piece in contract which is MLS's version of no trade.
     
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  12. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now if the Rapids could become PSG in the offseason . . . ;)
     
  13. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    Qatar's $ > Stan's $ but I guess both teams are in a Champions' League
     
  14. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the dates

    http://www.coloradorapids.com/post/2016/11/29/2016-17-key-mls-offseason-dates

    2016-17 Offseason Dates
    Sun., Dec. 11, 2016 Half-Day Trade Window (9 am - 12 pm ET)

    No trades involving players will be permitted after 12 pm ET up until the conclusion of the Expansion Draft
    Mon., Dec. 12 Expansion Draft Protected Player list and eligible Free Agents list released
    Tue., Dec. 13 Expansion Draft (2 pm ET)

    Beginning at 5 pm ET, Free Agents may engage in negotiations with all MLS clubs
    Wed., Dec. 14 List of players eligible for selection in the Waiver Draft released
    Thu., Dec. 15 Waiver Draft (2 pm ET)

    Beginning at 5 pm ET, clubs may no longer sign or trade their own Re-Entry Draft eligible players (player-trade blackout window)

    List of players available in Stage 1 of the Re-Entry Draft released
    Fri., Dec. 16 Re-Entry Draft - Stage 1 (3 pm ET)
    Wed., Dec. 21 Starting at 11 am ET, clubs may no longer sign or trade their own Re-Entry Draft eligible players (player-trade blackout window)

    List of available players in Stage 2 of the Re-Entry Draft released
    Thu., Dec. 22 Re-Entry Draft - Stage 2 (3 pm ET)
    Jan. 7-12, 2017 2017 adidas MLS Player Combine
    Fri., Jan. 13 2017 MLS SuperDraft presented by adidas
    Mon., Jan. 23 2017 MLS preseason begins
     
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  15. AvaiBunton

    AvaiBunton Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Basically, nothing worth picking up unless the team trades further future picks for now..

    I think JJ in his short time proved worthy. MacMath I think could have been for later round pick, but was good for his time in net and will be until TH returns, if he's not picked up in Expansion. Doyle, totally worthless.
    Hopefully they'll find a diamond in the rough in the 4th..
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rapids trade an international slot to Atlanta for 2017 and 2018 for Atlanta's 2nd round pick in next month's Superdraft.

    1st round - None, traded for JJ (would have been pick #20)
    2nd round - #24 from Atlanta for a international slot for 2 years, ours traded for MacMath (would have been pick #42)
    3rd round - None, traded for Conor Doyle (would have been pick #64)
    4th round - Pick #86
     
  18. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
    So what exactly does this mean for the Rapids? Will they have fewer international players next season than this season? Does it mean they are looking to acquire more talent via MLS trades rather than from outside the US?
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of the above, its fairly meaningless. Yeah, we can have 1 less international but that's not going to hurt us, cut Castillo or Williams.
     
  20. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
  21. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone get a green card? That would also make the trade meaningless.
     
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  22. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1st round - None, traded for JJ (would have been pick #20)
    2nd round - #24 from Atlanta for a international slot for 2 years, ours traded for MacMath (would have been pick #42)
    3rd round - #45 from Minnesota for Greenspan, ours traded for Conor Doyle (would have been pick #64)
    4th round - Pick #86
     
  25. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    That would sense...otherwise an international slot seems more useful than a 2nd round pick.

    I guess trading Greenspan along with Watts seemingly overtaking Burling means they're going away from the all redwood backline idea.
     
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