Also we've been hit incessantly by fines. At some point we need to enforce stadium bans for these crooks.
Not bad. xG map for Dortmund - Leipzig. OH GOD pic.twitter.com/KlGoHKH8Cp— Caley Graphics (@Caley_graphics) February 4, 2017
I'm guessing the big squares are the clear cut chances and the smaller ones are the half ones? If so then like I said it earlier this game should've been 6-0
We don't explain it - it's absolutely disgusting behaviour and those involved should be penalized to the greatest extent possible. It's a stain on the club.
There needs to be a message by the dfb or something across the BL in the coming games.. There should also be some kind of fine or punishment concerning fans.. Maybe a home crowd ban for one game or something. I don't think hooligans are scared about being punished :/
Small minded, small penised neo-nazi wankers with little happening in their lives. So they fill the void by bullying immigrants, burning asylum houses and displaying their "true love" for the club by attacking women and children of rival clubs. Every club has some douche bag supporters, but BVB seems to have a bit of a problem with theirs. It would help if Watzke just shut his mouth and stopped his constant sniping. It helps to create an environment that emboldens these people to act like beasts.
Like I said earlier a message needs to be sent across the league... There also needs a fan punishment of some sort.. These thugs aren't afraid
Honestly, I have zero problem with this, and I think most of us agree with the message here. As far as the violence, I hope those 'fans' get lifetime BL(all stadium/activities) bans.
Don't focus on the big banner only. The dozens of small banners were the problem. One of them e.g. advised Ragnick "to burn out again and hang himself".
no. Make banners about the club and their structure etc. BUt don't encourage people to suicide. Some other club a few weeks ago did the same thing, I can't remember who though. It's a shameful episode.
RB is universally disliked in the BL; perhaps the real owners of the club should look at whether or not their corporate masters have their best interests at heart.
Come on bro you can't seriously be condoning that? The vitriol needs to stop and the league needs to handle this across the entire BL. It's getting out of hand
Anger is one thing...... tell them they suck, boo them, bring mean banners, etc. Threatening their person or actually beating up their fans is disgusting.
What's wrong with the club? So they're owned by a Dosenhersteller, big deal. You don't seem to get pissed about Hiter' Autos and Big pharma or even SAP for that matter. Why this vitriol just against RB?
RB was pretty much an intramural team not 5 years ago. What have they done to be competing for a CL spot
They used the money they got to invest in infrastructure, coaching, training, stadium, acquisition and brand building. Something storied clubs like Inter Milan and HSV have no clue how to do but are crucial to success.
If energy drink is the. Rand they're going for.....It's not a model I'd like to see in the BL. Formula 1 isn't Footy
But that's a personal opinion. If it was BMW instead of RB and you saw pics and logos of M4s all over you wouldn't feel the same way would you?
And that is a reason to be violent towards their fans? They are not committing any crime, so any violence or ott abuse is not justifiable imo. Maybe their presence should act as a kick up the ass to some of the big clubs who are being run badly and showing little ambition to get their shit together, rather then something to have a tantrum about.
Wolfsburg is also very disliked, but perhaps because they are now longer in the Bundesliga and not very succesful, football fans feel less strongly about them. The same counts for Hoffenheim, although there is still significant hostility towards them. Leverkusen is today seen as a sympathic loser, due to their Vizekusen image, and of course, Bayer does not invest much money into them, so they are not seen as a threat. With Leipzig, peoplesee what could potentially happen, that some company buys a club and within a few years makes them a CL candidate. But honestly, protesting against a club is one thing. Attacking a group of fans with children among them is another. We need to do more to properly identify those culprits in the future.
Honestly Red Bull is not even a particularly big and scary company, in the grand scheme of things. After all they have to turn a corporate profit as well, and there is much dirtier money involved in football compared to a company selling a niche soft drink. Mostly they are spending smart, not decadently.
This is less about the type of company Red Bull presents and more about the possible development their engagement implies: Many fans fear that in the future other big companies will buy local clubs and boost them to CL glory. Whether or not those fears are justified is another matter, because RB Leipzig is in many ways a special case: RB was smart enough to realize that there was potential in the former GDR since there is a lack of professional football in this region, and many East Germans yearn for first-class football in their proximity (Hertha is btw. not seen by many as a genuin "East" German club since it belonged to the West German area of Berlin). Other investors would probably find it very difficult to establish another club e.g. in NRW or Bavaria, whereother dominant clubs already exist. That being said, many fans oppose RB on the ground that otherwise later companies would act even more outrageously. "Wehret den Anfängen!" so to speak. And to be fair, RB does some questionable things, e.g. using RB Salzburg as a training facility, or when they bought Marcel Sabitzer. Sabitzer played for Rapid Wien, and Wien did not want to sell him to rival RB Salzburg. So Leipzig triggered his buy-out clause that was specifically designed for a transfer to a foreign club, and immediately loaned him to Salzburg. That is Bayern-class scumbaggery.
I don't think anyone is rationalizing violence. But the wall of banners? WORDS HURT! [emoji24][emoji24]