2015-2016 CCL - Hope Springs Eternal

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  1. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #101 Berks, Sep 24, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2015
    Updated Seeding:
    1. DC United 10 pts +6 - QUALIFIED, all games complete
    2. Club America 9pts +7 (3 played) - can get all 12 points, and are likely to
    3. LA Galaxy 7pts +9 (3 played) - QUALIFIED, last game going to be important as we are currently tied with Queretaro
    4. Queretaro 7 pts +9 - QUALIFIED, all games complete

    5. Seattle Sounders 7 pts +3 - QUALIFIED, all games complete
    6. Saprissa 6pts +4 (3 played) - game vs. Santos Laguna in Mexico on 10/20, big one! Max points of 9
    7. RSL 4pts +1 (2 played, 0 goals allowed) - max points of 10, both games at home
    8. UANL 4pts +1 (2 played, 2 goals allowed) - max points of 10

    Tomorrow's Key Games:
    9/24 - UANL @Isidro Metapan (should be a win for UANL but Herediano just lost there)
    9/24 - Santa Tecla @RSL

    With the draw today and our GD we pretty much (unless something very, very bad happens) avoid 8th which is a good thing as that likely means we avoid Club America in round 1.

    The key October games are scheduled as follows:
    10/20 Saprissa @SANTOS LAGUNA
    10/20 Club America @motagua
    10/20 Municipal @RSL
    10/21 Herediano @UANL
    10/21 LA Galaxy @Communicaciones

    That's right, we are the last game that matters. So we will know seeding and where we want to be at kick off.

    Should definitely be the reserves that go down to Guatemala, but we'll know in advance whether they should play sit on the ball/keepaway for 90 minutes, or try to score.
     
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  2. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By the way, if RSL take care of business, it will be the first time ever that 4 MLS teams have gone to the quarterfinals.
     
  3. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RSL had to bring in the big guns after Santa Tecla jumped out to a 1-0 lead, but the subs made the difference. Three points.

    Tigres also got the job done with a 2-1 win over Isidro Metapan. So with that, going into October:

    Updated Seeding:
    1. DC United 10 pts +6 - QUALIFIED, all games complete
    2. Club America 9pts +7 (3 played) - can get all 12 points, and are likely to
    3. LA Galaxy 7pts +9 (3 played) - QUALIFIED, max points of 10
    4. Queretaro 7 pts +9 - QUALIFIED, all games complete

    5. Seattle Sounders 7 pts +3 - QUALIFIED, all games complete
    6. RSL 7pts +2 (3 played, 1 goal allowed) - max points of 10, down to game vs. Municipal, just need draw
    7. UANL 7pts +2 (3 played, 2 goals allowed) - max points of 10, down to game vs. Herediano, just need draw
    8. Saprissa 6pts +4 (3 played) - game vs. Santos Laguna in Mexico on 10/20, big one! Max points of 9

    Key October games:
    10/20 Saprissa @SANTOS LAGUNA
    10/20 Club America @motagua
    10/20 Municipal @RSL
    10/21 Herediano @UANL
    10/21 LA Galaxy @Communicaciones

    There are a lot of teams at the 10 pt mark, and GD matters, so scenarios are a crapshoot. I'm really thankful for going last, and there is a scenario where we might prefer a loss (no joke) to meet DC United instead of Tigres.

    See you in October. :)
     
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  4. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So this happens this week. I'll update seeding after coming home tomorrow. Some pretty big games Tuesday night that will dictate a ton.

    Hopefully this will wash the sour taste of that Portland game out of my mouth.

    Because the SKC game means so much, this is the game for the scrubs.
     
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  5. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, our starting XI won't even make this trip…. time for the bench to show our first XI-slackers how it's done….
     
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  6. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given how our "starters" have been playing, this means Bruce is taking CCL seriously for a change.
     
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  7. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rep early and rep often, people…..
     
  8. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know this is kind of @Berks territory so she can go through all the permutations but if we win tomorrow, we'll (almost 100%) avoid a Mexican team in the first round. We'd be the top seed and the only teams that can take the 8th seed are Herediano (if they beat Tigres) or Seattle (if Herediano fails to beat Tigres). Technically if we win Tigres can jump ahead of us (if they best our win by 7 goals) but the basic idea is if we win tomorrow, we miss a Mexican team in the first round.
     
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  9. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was just about to write exactly this. It's BIG, BIG news. I'll get into more detail in a second, but it's there for the taking. Bruce, you better have reviewed the results and know what this means.

    Kyle McCarthy ‏@kylejmccarthy 43m43 minutes ago
    Club América's 1-1 draw at Motagua means LA Galaxy can claim top #SCCL seed with win at Comunicaciones (barring Tigres blowout win).

    DON'T EFFING SCREW IT UP. WE NEED SOME GOOD NEWS THIS WEEK.
     
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  10. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tonight's Results:
    RSL 1 - Municipal 0
    Santos Laguna 6 - Saprissa 1 (ouch)
    Club America 1 - Motagua 1 (lifeline for LA!)

    Updated Seeding Going Into Tomorrow:
    1. Club America 10 pts +7 (edging DCU by 1 goal!)
    2. DC United 10 pts +6
    3. RSL 10 pts +3
    4. Santos Laguna 9 pts +9

    5. LA Galaxy 7pts +9 (3 played)
    6. Queretaro 7 pts +9
    7. Seattle Sounders 7 pts +3
    8. UANL 7pts +2 (3 played)

    I worked the permutations, and here you go (without inserting the charts for sake of reading), this is actually surprising:

    Tigres Result/LA Result = LA match up (red = Mexican team)
    Tigres WIN (+7 GD or above, or +6 GD w/more than DCU goals scored)/LA LOSS = Club America/Tigres
    Tigres WIN (6 GD, 4-0 victory)/LA LOSS = DCU
    Tigres WIN (<6 GD)/LA LOSS = DCU
    Tigres DRAW/LA LOSS = DCU
    Tigres LOSS/LA LOSS (non blowout) = RSL

    Tigres WIN (+7 GD but below LA)/LA WIN = Seattle
    Tigres WIN (>LA GD)/LA WIN = Queretaro
    Tigres WIN (<6 GD)/LA WIN = Seattle
    Tigres LOSS/LA WIN = Seattle/Herediano pending GD
    Tigres DRAW/LA WIN = Seattle

    Tigres WIN (+7 GD or above, or +6 GD w/more than DCU goals scored)/LA DRAW = DCU

    Tigres WIN (6 GD, 4-0 victory)/LA DRAW = Tigres
    Tigres WIN (<6 GD) /LA DRAW = Tigres
    Tigres DRAW/LA DRAW = Santos Laguna
    Tigres LOSS LA DRAW = Santos Laguna


    Final Thoughts
    • If Tigres has a major blowout victory, and we lose, that causes problems for us.
    • Other than that 1 loss scenario above, if we lose and Tigres wins by a relatively normal margin, we get an MLS team.
    • The problem is actually a DRAW - odds are we get a Mexican team. Usually a draw on the road means a good thing. But in this case if you play the law of averages, a draw is very, very bad as it gives us a Mexican team. To the point where depending on the Tigres game we may very well want to lose.
    • The best situation is to win. That pretty much likely gives us Seattle and we wouldn't have to be waiting for the Tigres game. It would require a miracle of a GD from them.
    I'm now envisioning a scenario where we score an own goal in the 90th minute to get DCU. OY!

    Just win, and we face Seattle.

    Man, who figured we'd be in a scenario where we want to root for a loss or win rather than a draw?
     
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  11. OC Galaxy Fans

    Jul 30, 2009
    Placentia
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember when we had that cake-walk against Toronto a few years ago?
     
  12. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been trying to forget that
     
  13. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd still rather face an MLS side than an in-season Mexican one for our first game.
     
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  14. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No match up at this stage is ever a gimme but like @Berks I'd still rather take my chances with an MLS team who is also in pre-season. If you want to win the thing you eventually are going to go through a Mexican side but putting that off until you get your fitness and match sharpness up as much as possible should be the goal. Not just that but if you're the #1 seed you can guarantee that you're going to play the 2nd leg at home throughout the tournament. It would also be nice to just have a win.
     
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  15. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Tigres draws and finishes with 8 points.
     
  16. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final match ups (still mad):

    Club América v Seattle
    Santos Laguna v LA Galaxy

    DC United v Querétaro
    Real Salt Lake v Tigres UANL

    Home teams listed first.

    This could be Don Garber's nightmare.

    With screwing the pooch we're also in the same bracket as Seattle/Club America. Yay.
     
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  17. FlapJack

    FlapJack Member+

    Mar 3, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Wow. that's terrible. Maybe Gargan should have stayed with his man.
     
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  18. esco300

    esco300 Member+

    May 8, 2011
    Seattle
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle has the team to beat America hopefully torres is fully fit in time and Galaxy could beat Santos.. I predict Seattle vs LA.
     
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  19. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we're going into the quarterfinals against Mexico next year with the following:

    1) Juni exploring options in Europe (EEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKK!)
    2) Lots of folks predicting Omar Gonzalez gone
    3) Gyasi Zardes in danger of being sold (please no)
    4) Gerrard the albatross
    5) Rogers as free agent (don't think he's going to want to leave LA since his partner is here)
    6) No idea what midfield is going to look like
    7) No back up (really) at FB
    8) Need new GK

    Bruce has some MAJOR work to do in the offseason or the game against Santos Laguna is going to be an epic laugher.

    For the other teams:
    Seattle - highly dependent on Alonso and if Deuce/Oba are healthy
    RSL - depends on how they rebuild
    DCU - bunker and pray + Bill Hamid

    Comparatively? I think we're the biggest sh*tshow.

    Major, major work.
     
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  20. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be a good idea to try and schedule Brazilian clubs. In Jan/Feb that's the highest rated competition you can get that are somewhat match fit because they're playing in the State Championships. Clubs have been known to have friendlies during the State Championships. Especially the big ones because the State Championships tend to be cake walk for them in early matches.
     
  22. L.A. Native

    L.A. Native Member+

    Aug 1, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    At least so far, we got a friendly again with FC Shirak in Jan. but, not sure if they'd be considered competitive... ?

    Unless the boys have some pact of keeping themselves in top, regular season form, and Stevie finally gets MLS fit, I'm afraid we'll be able to focus solely on MLS since we'll bow out of CCL. I highly doubt they convene for any sort of practice and such during the offseason but, some of them do spend some time together apparently...
    https://t.co/51UCpslg8I
     
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  23. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    February 24th is the first game??!?!? Jesus. That is EARLY.

    What is also a bummer is that we host first and go on the road second.

    Blegh.
     
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  24. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    All Rowe had to do was stall for 15 seconds and we could have avoided playing an in-season Mexican team.

    I know... I'm a bitter man.

    On the bright side at least we won't have to worry about CCL fixture congestion after the first two games.
     
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  25. Geneva

    Geneva LA for Life

    Feb 5, 2003
    Southern Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. Our chances our so infinitesimal as to border on miracle-needed.
     

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