2011-12 Attendance Analysis

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by ArsenalMetro, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Seattle - 15,866
    Morelia - 15,000
    Motagua - 14,000
    Santos - 6,000
    UNAM - 5,522
    Dallas - 2,578
    Metapan - 2,020
    Herediano - 200

    Through Group Stage

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   5,508   4,619   51.6%   14.5%
    2009-10   5,156   4,156   51.6%    7.8%
    2010-11   6,229   4,677   51.6%   23.4%
    2011-12   6,230   5,511   45.3%   20.3%
    
    Historical Totals:

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   7,117   6,303   44.7%   23.7%
    2009-10   6,806   5,461   46.2%   16.7%
    2010-11   8,446   5,525   43.6%   35.9%
    
    Average: 1 out of 4
    Median: 1 out of 4
    <5k%: 1 out of 4
    >10k% 2 out of 4

    AAQ: 1.25, improved from the last matchday's 1.5.

    Average by federation:

    United States - 8,231
    Mexico - 8,066
    Canada - 7,247
    Costa Rica - 6,641
    Honduras - 6,227
    Nicaragua - 4,500
    El Salvador - 3,232
    Guatemala - 2,570
    Panama - 1,136
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    CFU - 863
    Guyana - 600

    Average by club:

    Seattle - 14,320
    Monterrey - 11,086
    Olimpia - 10,644
    Morelia - 10,067
    Alajuelense - 9,825
    Los Angeles - 8,517
    Alianza - 7,301
    Toronto - 7,247
    Colorado - 6,146
    Santos - 6,125
    Motagua - 5,920
    Real Espana - 5,165
    Real Esteli - 4,500
    UNAM - 4,301
    Herediano - 4,252
    Dallas - 3,491
    Comunicaciones - 2,926
    Isidro Metapan - 2,215
    Municipal - 1,500
    Tauro - 1,281
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    San Francisco - 700
    Alpha United - 600

    Overall attendance: 398,723
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Prelim. Round average: 6,038

    Group Stage, first home match average: 5,043
    Group Stage, second home match average: 6,653
    Group Stage, third home match average: 7,186
    Group Stage average: 6,294

    Five highest attendances (2011-12 CCL only):
    1) 21,233 - Seattle 2 - 0 (aet) San Francisco - August 3
    2) 16,000 - Morelia 2 - 1 Los Angeles - September 13
    3) 15,866 - Seattle 1 - 2 Monterrey - October 18
    4) 15,000 - Morelia 2 - 1 Alajuelense - October 18
    5) 14,000 - Motagua 0 - 1 Los Angeles - October 20

    Five lowest attendances (2011-12 CCL only):
    1) 200 - Herediano 4 - 1 Comunicaciones - October 19
    2) 316 - Tauro 5 - 3 Dallas - September 28
    3) 500 - Toronto 0 - 1 Dallas - August 25
    4) 514 - Herediano 1 - 2 Seattle - September 14
    5) 600 - Alpha United 2 - 2 Herediano - August 4

    Five highest attendances (CCL history):
    1) 55,271 - Montreal 2 - 0 Santos - February 25, 2009
    2) 32,177 - UNAM 1 - 0 Cruz Azul - March 31, 2010
    3) 30,247 - Monterrey 2 - 2 Salt Lake - April 20, 2011
    4) 28,900 - Cruz Azul 5 - 0 UNAM - April 6, 2010
    5) 26,500 - Pachuca 1 - 0 Cruz Azul - April 28, 2010

    Five lowest attendances (CCL history):
    1) 110 - Joe Public 1 - 4 Columbus - October 21, 2010
    2) 192 - San Juan Jabloteh 0 - 1 Santos - July 27, 2010
    3) 200 - Herediano 4 - 1 Comunicaciones - October 19, 2011
    4) 253 - Brujas 2 - 2 Joe Public - July 28, 2010
    T-5) 300 - San Francisco 2 - 3 L.A. Firpo - October 22, 2008
    T-5) 300 - Puerto Rico 1 - 1 Columbus - October 20, 2009

    If anyone wants any other numbers thrown at them, let me know.
     
  4. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    In your opinion, how can we explain the fact that in the Champions Cup CONCACAF the public was more present than now, and what is the main reason why there are so few people in the stadiums?
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Comparing the Champions' Cup to the Champions League as a whole is an unfair comparison. A far more accurate comparison would be to just the knockout stages. Even then, you're getting teams that simply have smaller fan bases than any team that was in the Champions' Cup. Still, average attendances for the knockout rounds compare well to the old version of the tournament:

    2008-09: 14,707
    2009-10: 14,349
    2010-11: 18,580
     
  6. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    In your opinion, what can concacaf or clubs do to attract more people more fastly in stadiums, even if i see it progresses over the years? How concacaf organize the promotion of CCL?
     
  7. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not much they can do, maybe move the tournament to weekends, but that is not realistic.

    I am not sure how much of the gate income they take, maybe allowing teams to keep it all.

    Get more TV money to promote the CCL better?

    But TV ratings and revenue are probably better than attendance (or maybe not).

    I am sure if you ask 3 Concacaf fans on how to improve the CCL you will get 5 different opinions.

    As cheaply as possible.

    To be fair CCL is a money loser for Concacaf, so demanding they spend tons of money on it would be off.
     
  8. haitifrancepsg

    haitifrancepsg New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Torcy, Île-de-France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    do the clubs take any decisions to bring more people to the stadiums?
     
  9. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    IIRC Concacaf takes 5% and lets the clubs keep the rest. It's the competition regulations.
     
  10. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Expect Tigres to have great numbers in attendance next year...hell Tigres fans will probably pack the stadium in all 3 group stage games.:D
     
  11. SecludedMonkey

    SecludedMonkey New Member

    Mar 1, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard the Tigres coach doesn't think too highly of international competitions........sure that won't translate to the fans?
     
  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    good question. yeah Tucca is probably going to put bench players in Copa Libertadores as well. It might translate to the fans. maybe if the games dont sell out, I still think it will be good numbers showing up. we shall see.
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Any coach who emphasizes league play over continental competition, especially when the league ends in a playoff, is a complete ****ing moron. Unless, of course, you're at a club in danger of relegation. Which Tigres certainly is not.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It depends on what pays the bills, if they feel finishing bad in the local league will get them fired, then they will prioritize the local league.
     
  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Tucca gave Tigres a championship for the first time in 30 years. Tigres can finish the season dead last and he won`t get fired.
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Metapan 4,131
    Seattle 23,433
    Toronto 47,658
    Morelia 14,951
     
  17. jagum

    jagum Member

    CF Montreal
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Canada should get at least another club in CONCACAF champions league. As you see the best attendance record is in Montreal 55k and Toronto 47k.
    Do not forget that Vancouver plays now in BC Place, stadium with a capacity of 50 k .
     
  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Toronto - 47,658
    Seattle - 23,433
    Morelia - 14,951
    Metapan - 4,131

    Through Quarterfinals, First Leg

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   6,406   4,963   50.0%   18.2%
    2009-10   5,245   4,356   51.5%    8.8%
    2010-11   6,485   4,850   50.0%   26.5%
    2011-12   7,190   5,682   44.1%   23.5%
    
    Historical Totals:

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   7,117   6,303   44.7%   23.7%
    2009-10   6,806   5,461   46.2%   16.7%
    2010-11   8,446   5,525   43.6%   35.9%
    
    Average: 1 out of 4
    Median: 1 out of 4
    <5k%: 1 out of 4
    >10k% 2 out of 4

    AAQ: 1.25, same as before

    Average by federation:

    Canada - 15,329
    United States - 9,244
    Mexico - 8,497
    Costa Rica - 6,641
    Honduras - 6,227
    Nicaragua - 4,500
    El Salvador - 3,382
    Guatemala - 2,570
    Panama - 1,136
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    CFU - 863
    Guyana - 600

    Average by club:

    Seattle - 16,142
    Toronto - 15,329
    Monterrey - 11,086
    Morelia - 10,881
    Olimpia - 10,644
    Alajuelense - 9,825
    Los Angeles - 8,517
    Alianza - 7,301
    Colorado - 6,146
    Santos - 6,125
    Motagua - 5,920
    Real Espana - 5,165
    Real Esteli - 4,500
    UNAM - 4,301
    Herediano - 4,252
    Dallas - 3,491
    Comunicaciones - 2,926
    Isidro Metapan - 2,598
    Municipal - 1,500
    Tauro - 1,281
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    San Francisco - 700
    Alpha United - 600

    Overall attendance: 488,896
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    looks like a full house in Monterrey, I will guess 30K+
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Official: 33,000
     
  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    7,500 in LA

    14,278 in Torreon (It looked like a lot more).
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Monterrey - 33,000
    Santos - 14,278
    UNAM - 7,800
    Los Angeles - 7,500

    Through Quarterfinals

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   6,750   5,991   47.1%   20.0%
    2009-10   5,392   4,700   50.0%    9.7%
    2010-11   7,269   5,090   47.2%   30.6%
    2011-12   7,659   6,000   41.7%   25.0%
    
    Historical Totals:

    Code:
    Year      Average Median  <5k     >10k
    2008-09   7,117   6,303   44.7%   23.7%
    2009-10   6,806   5,461   46.2%   16.7%
    2010-11   8,446   5,525   43.6%   35.9%
    
    Average: 1 out of 4
    Median: 1 out of 4
    <5k%: 1 out of 4
    >10k% 2 out of 4

    AAQ: 1.25, same as before

    Average by federation:

    Canada - 15,329
    Mexico - 10,054
    United States - 9,135
    Costa Rica - 6,641
    Honduras - 6,227
    Nicaragua - 4,500
    El Salvador - 3,382
    Guatemala - 2,570
    Panama - 1,136
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    CFU - 863
    Guyana - 600

    Average by club:

    Monterrey - 16,564
    Seattle - 16,142
    Toronto - 15,329
    Morelia - 10,881
    Olimpia - 10,644
    Alajuelense - 9,825
    Los Angeles - 8,263
    Santos - 7,756
    Alianza - 7,301
    Colorado - 6,146
    Motagua - 5,920
    UNAM - 5,176
    Real Espana - 5,165
    Real Esteli - 4,500
    Herediano - 4,252
    Dallas - 3,491
    Comunicaciones - 2,926
    Isidro Metapan - 2,598
    Municipal - 1,500
    Tauro - 1,281
    Puerto Rico - 1,125
    San Francisco - 700
    Alpha United - 600

    Overall attendance: 551,474
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dang, Galaxy and Pumas not helping the >10K number. :(
     
  24. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Tuca left his mark with the fans and the CCL
     
  25. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watching the Mexico - Panama game, I see what it seems to be a crowd much bigger than 7,500 @ the Home Depot Center.

    Does the rule only applies to the LA galaxy and Chivas USA?

    Is it because of spring break?

    Or the problem with the CCL is that those games are not part of contracts?


    Friday game had 8,521.

    http://www.concacaf.com/page/MOQ/Schedule/0,,12813,00.html
     

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