Yep. Sarri "logic". Kid hasn't played any games, sooo....he isn't fit to play any games. he needs to send him down to the Primavera and let him get some games.
Over and over and over again. We went out to Ajax last year the same way. BTW, without Chiellio we are isht on ANY set piece.
If I had been offered a draw here prior to the game, esp. the way we have been playing lately, I would have been happy with the point. But the way we got that point is very troubling. We need to beat the other 2 teams twice now.
This is 2 years in a row. With Giorgio out and no Buffon, we have no one to organize that defense on set pieces. The coaching needs to be better. And....I still think BonBon and MdL are NOT a good combo if we are going 4 in the back. The Turk would be a better match with either than both of them together. Sarri needs to work HARD on this cause if we don't tighten up the back we will not win anything.
We were lucky they didn't get a couple of more goals on corners. There were at lest 2 where they had essentially free headers they out over the bar. This has to change pronto.
BTW, we were a lot more dynamic and unpredictable once Dybala came on. Higgy needs to take a seat and let that kid play. Gonzalo has done nothing the last 2 games except take up space. Sami appears to be our most important player. When he is on, we do well. As soon as he goes off, we go to isht. One of the new MFs needs to step up and take over. BTW, btw, we certainly could use Can on this CL roster now that we have 1 FB. He can play as a FB, a CB, a defensive mid and even an attacking mid. He and Cuadrado are the only jack-of-several-trades players we have and Can is a much better RB than either Danilo or Cuadrado. He should have been on the roster.
They should look at the tapes of Ajax from last season on how to get the spacing right. de Ligt is really good at getting free on set plays and Ronaldo is as well. Spend some time on the training ground. there is no excuse for wasting opportunities to score.
Zonal marking has shown now to be the more effective system. Juve were less zone oriented last year and still gave up set pieces.
It was a very good high level match between two big teams. It's too bad that Juve threw away a pretty solid performance due to a lack of concentration on set pieces. At least this is happening now rather than after March. Juve played a fantastic 2nd half in particular in large part because Higuain and Cuadrado drastically improved after a crap 1st half. Cuadrado kept losing possession while Higuain went missing. Once they started to play positively, the entire team lifted. Bonucci and De ligt made so many clearances from open play. They completely nullified Atleti in the 2nd until the stupid set pieces. It's unfortunate. Overall, it's disappointing yet a result that improves on Juve's past trips to Atleti. Much better than last year or when Conte faced them there.
Let me teach some of you an important point. Stop listening to the so called experts on TV or those who write on rags. Stop listening to terms that have no meaning and think it does. Watch the game instead. If anyone thinks that Juve was zonal marking on that corner kick, which was in the 90th minute, then you have no clue about the game. We had 10 players who just occupied space. And that is another thing, zonal marking is not for set plays, it is about tactics & formation. So if you are a left back, your zone is that left flank and whoever comes running down your zone. You pick him up. Contrast to man marking where you were assigned a player to pick up and be responsible for. In theory, Gentile was a right back for gli Azzurri. Against Argentina, his job was to mark Maradona regardless of where he was on the pitch. That is the difference between man marking and zonal marking. Either way, if you do not mark anyone, then you are not defending. There was no defending on that corner kick that lost us a point. So please, do not mention zonal marking as if it is suppose to explain our stupidity.
I say this every year...if we want to win CL we have to be able to do some things as a minimum and that is be lethal on set pieces and counters...which we are not. Its not everything...we need to do more, but at least these things are signs of a dangerous team. When games are tight deadlock and you dont get many chances, you gotta punish them in counters or set pieces In defense i dont get why we cant figure out defending crosses that come into the box. We are one of the tallest teams
Zonal marking is a term that is now used for set pieces and has been analyzed statistically. It has shown to be more effective than man marking on corners for example. It has nothing to do with TV commentary but evidence on hand for coaches to do what they want with. Sarri is just picking the style of set piece defending that yields the highest probability of success over an entire season. http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2007.pdf As for what Juve were doing on those specific plays, I agree that they were just occupying space and were too passive. I'm confident that the players will improve once they have mastered it after 30-40 games come March/April.
Please, you sound foolish quoting bullshit from so called experts. There was no zonal marking on that corner and no, it is not more effective. That is why we see such easy goals on set pieces. We had 6 guys just standing in the goal area. The corner kick went beyond that goal area and we had no players to defend it. It was the 90th minute. Every player needs to be on a body to make sure that a clean header does not happen like it did. I played defender most of my career. I know all too well what went wrong yesterday.
Actually it is Eibar. My only regret was not buying a couple of shares in the club when they were promoted several years ago and needed to raise money to participate in La Liga!! 2nd fave is Athletic Club of Bilbao for their Basque player only policy.
Isn't it incumbent on the keeper to organize and position his defenders for corners as well as a free kick? Exactly. There's more than stopping shots and distribution to the goalkeeper's job.
It's a shame Ajax can't hold on to their best anymore, they'd be a powerhouse again and it's be great to see
It was defended poorly because the players failed to execute and were too passive not because zonal marking on corners isn't effective. It is. It's been proven. There is at least 10 years of data to support it. Now are teams exploiting deficiencies in this style of defending corners and will this change the future effectiveness? Sure that's absolutely possible and quite likely. We will see how it evolves. With that said, Juve were conceding corners in whatever system they have been employing for the last 12 months or so. They haven't been good enough whether man-to-man (De ligt goal that KO last year) or yesterday in what ended up as a poorly executed zonal orientation. I'm confident that over time this will improve. Top teams don't usually concede as often as Juve do from set pieces so perhaps it will just average itself out at the very least.
Did you watch the game? Did you see the goal? Stop quoting zonal marking as if it meant anything on that play. There was NO marking. It was just players standing around. Zonal marking has players responsible for space and those around them. That was not the case yesterday. So stop this useless argument. And come on, statistics? Stats are used to advance an argument/theory. It is a game, not a science. There is one way to defend. That is to mark someone. Whether that is set up by designated marks or by zone, bottom line is that standing in space does not cut it.
There should never be any zonal marking on a set piece in the box. Man to man marking is how it should be.
If we are going to "defend" like that, we need to go back to putting men on both posts. I saw Pjanic on the post earlier in the game. If his substitute was there in the 92nd, that ball does not go in.
I know a lot of you will disagree and say they aren’t “juve quality” but I’d sure sacrifice some “quality” to have my old Juve back that actually played with a backbone and core of Italian players. We’ve lost our identity.