1-32: FIFA World Cup qualification timeline

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Fuera del Area, Mar 24, 2017.

  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Innocent until proven guilty :coffee:

    So far we know that 1) Guerrero had some trace of a coca by-product in his system and 2) tests on his hair samples confirmed that it wasn't through straight-up cocaine. Most likely team doctors gave him a contaminated tea - unless something else comes out of the investigation, it doesn't look like he was taking anything to enhance his performance on the field.
     
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  2. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #452 Rickdog, Nov 18, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2017
    He had cocaine, represented by its main metabolite, which is what is expected to be find in anyone whom consumes it, recreational, medical or simply because they like consuming it nutritionally. Not a by-product as you say.

    Which no matter what reason why you consume it, is in the prohibited list.

    Don't allow your bias confuse you.

    Hair samples, contrary to what most of those reports are reporting to justify the player as if he has a strong case with them as proof, only is helpful to know if the consumer (Guerrero, in this case), has a drug adict behaviour related to its consumption as it establishes how drugs are deposited in the hair throughout time.

    Hair samples, are completely useless to establish a non regular comsumption of drugs, which is typical of what dopers do to get sporting advantages ( I'm not talking about drug adicts here, which is completely diferent). Besides, short hair, with very heavy cosmetic care, as the one Guerrero has, also tend to affect negatively every result you may achive from him. And at both FIFA and WADA, their anti-dopic comitee know perfectly well, everything I'm trying to explain here, so lawyers will not convince them so easily telling them how good hair samples are, for proving his case.

    Just think about it a little, if hair samples were so good for proving doping, then why take such a complicated time after the matches , forcing players to make the take a leak under rigurous conditions, in orther to get samples to the lab, when it is lots easier and less complicated to just cut a few hair off, from the players which would have to go to doping tests. They have a perfectly reasonable explanation, why they do them as they do them.

    Oh, and btw, when being charged on Doping, based on anti-doping tests, it's the other way around.

    You are guilty, and what you must prove, it's your innocence
     
  3. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    4 years of reality life for some certain fans:([​IMG][​IMG]
     
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    You forgot these 2, which are also reality (same 4 years, btw). Fans at the bleachers were doing pretty much the same thing, in both cases.

    The first (with the traditional trophy) :

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    And the second (notice diferent trophy, as this one was a special one, that only we get to keep for ever) :

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    :cool:.
     
  5. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You didn't get it. This is your status for next 4 years. :([​IMG][​IMG]
     
  6. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Our status remains being the current champion of Conmebol, and that lasts till somebody else wins Copa America in 2019, but if we win it again, our reign would extend itself till 2023 (this 2018 WC, doesn't do anything to that, as it is a whole diferent tournament).

    Now if you really ask me, if I would have prefered to qualify to the next WC, instead of winning 2 times the Copa America, with no need to think much over it, I'd prefer how things actually went.

    A WC participation may be important, but if it doesn't come with a final champioship win, it is not more important than actually winning a tournament that has lots more tradition than the WC, with a comparable prestige to it, as how Copa America is.
    :cool:
     
  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if there's another Copa América in 2020? Unless you're convinced that the current CONMEBOL leadership has finally kicked its gringo money addiction..
     
  8. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    If there is one, it would have the same condition as our second one : another "special" edition.

    After everything happened following the FIFA-gate scandal, in Conmebol nothing has really changed much, and those who replaced the scumbags that were indicted, sure continue doing the same type of stuff as the others did in the past. Only with more caution. They also know, that the one reason that made the others "fall", was the greed that affected them, when they decided to go ahead preciselly with that special edition we won, so if they decide to go ahead with another "special" edition in the future, with absolute certainty, they will think it more than twice before having their call on that one, again.

    Many of them, might not be involved in anything related to the scandals, but whenever new "news" or findings come from those trials going on right now, they still can't help it and shit in their pants thinking that their names may appear and involve them somehow. Not unlikely that this is what happened to that Argentine lawyer that recently got suicided, when his name came out.

    But, you are perfectly right. The one thing they will always want, is to get more money, if it is "gringo money" or from wherever it may be, they really don't mind, unless it doesn't get into their pockets.
     
  9. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL, your cruelty is amusing.
     
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  10. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Someone was pestering us since their defeat in that friendly match in 2015. I just game him his own medicine. Karma is a b***h.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  12. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Fujimorista majority in Congress will gut or kill the bill long before it could draw FIFA's ire - they have to know that costing Peru its first World Cup in 36 years would be political suicide for the entire party.
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying this will happen, but imagine this:

    1. The World Cup draw happens with Peru in Pot 2
    2. Peru is suspended by FIFA and New Zealand qualifies instead
    3. FIFA must choose between giving New Zealand, who was 122nd in the rankings used for the draw, the benefit of being a Pot 2 team with the opponents Peru would have had, or re-drawing the World Cup
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I would just play that Group with three teams. That would make everyone here ticked off but I would laugh all the way. (I know it would probably never happen due to television contracts.)
     
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Peru were to be suspended, I'd much rather FIFA have New Zealand and Chile play off for the berth in March.
     
  16. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    What would you think if FIFA suspended us? They may well take over our football federation before the year is out. Should Honduras replace us, or should they play off against Syria.
     
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  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FIFA taking over won't cause a suspension; if the FFA try to fight it in court, OTOH, then Honduras-Syria it is in my book.
     
  18. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    FIFA, would be stupid in replacing a team like Peru, with New Zeland

    New Zeland, in the normal quailfier process got eliminated the same way as every other team that also got eliminated in the process. They don't deserve any special treatment on regards to this issue, as they didn't do any thing special neither. They got their chance, as everyone else did, and blew it.

    According to the rules, if FIFA needs to replace a team, it's their own exclusive decission, to do it with whichever team they wish for (hasn't have to be from their same Confed, neither)

    The most likely call would be to replace Peru with a team that has similar conditions to theirs (basicly ranking related) and whom can also bring something of worth to the tournament , in order to not affect that much, the development of it as well.

    Best choice, (in my opinion), of alternative teams for Peru, if it also happens that in the draw Peru ends in a WC group with only one other Uefa team in it, would be Italy, as no one in the world has the historic past performance background that Italy has, among those teams that didn't make it to this WC. 2nd best choice, If Peru's WC group already has 2 Uefa teams in it,would be Chile, to avoid having one group with 3 Uefa teams in it. In which case, as they both have a very close ranking to the one that Peru has, means that if they would have made the WC instead of Peru, they would have been in the same pot for the draw.

    A similar issue, should be considered if the team to be replaced would be a team originally from pots 3 and 4. Alternative teams should be picked among teams that didn't make it to the WC, but whom share a similar ranking to the ones of the teams to be replaced with, always considering that no WC group must have more than 2 Uefa teams in them.
     

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