€-Moneyball; High and Low Finance Football

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  2. FC Utrecht keeps on cashing on Sebastian Haller.
    https://www.ad.nl/transfer-talk/fc-utrecht-geniet-nog-steeds-van-spits-haller~a413c03f/
    They bought him for 750,000€€ which was a gamble as he was on a downward track in his career.
    It's funny how careers take their course sometimes.
    Didier Martel was scouting for FC Utrecht and was watching a defender at Auxerre. A row behind him Haller was sitting, feeling wasted. They had a chat and Haller was on his way to Utrecht.
    He blossomed up in the Eredivisie, so much French papers wrote about his resurrection. FC Utrecht sold him to Eintracht Frankfurt, where he kept on scoring.
    Because FC Utrecht put in a sell on clause of 12% in the deal, they now can cash another 6 million if the 50 million transfer to the epl takes place.

    It's a kind of story like that with Feyenoord and Pelle.
     
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  3. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
  4. I wonder if the EU rules for competition arenot violated by state subsidies, which in case of ManCity and PSG in my opinion is the case.
     
  5. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Milan lost their appeal on the Europa League ban for this season at the Court of Arbitration. Finally a team gets sanctioned for violating the Financial Fair Play rules. Milan announced that they are accepting the result; of course they didn't have any choice.
     
  6. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
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  8. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Frank de Boer is right on this.
     
  9. He is right about the FIFA WC difference in earnings (his other examples are in my eyes iffy), but he shouldnot get his head into a wasp nest.
    The whole argument isnot rational, but emotional and embedded in American culture. He has no real contribution in the "debate" so why on earth do this.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I thought it is American to let the market decide and pay people per performance....
     
  11. Not in team sport. There they're more like communists, making level playing fields by capping salaries etc. And making cartels of them.
     
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  12. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    both the US men's and women's soccer leagues have salary caps.
     
  13. The Dutch bank RABO has announced it doesnot accept Pro soccer clubs anymore as new clients. The reason from a leaked internal note is the danger of getting involved with money laundring, corruption and fraud.
    That's quite funny as then the RABO bank also has to say goodbye to their most profitable clients that sponsor those clubs and or have skyboxes in them.
    I dunno if Feyenoord is client or has accounts there, but if you go that path it automatically smears the people involved with those clubs, as it of course are people not clubs that do those things. In fact RABO says it should seize to be a bank for business people as these are especially in rural regions involved with soccer clubs.
    In fact Jan Smit, former chairman of De Graafschap should terminate his financial ties with this bank for being slanderous.
    Heck, any businessman that respects himself should terminate relations with this bank.
     
  14. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Rory Smith has a good column in the NY Times today on the problems Juventus are having this transfer season. Because of the Ronaldo transfer last year and his wage bill along with the wage bills of a lot of other aging players and the de Ligt transfer this summer they are in a cash squeeze. Nobody wants to take players from them at high wages and they are even having trouble moving Dybala who does not fit in the team's plans this season. The club is still pretty much run by the Agnelli family and they don't have petro-€ money to backstop them.
     

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