I think they set up for three years with this format to begin with, right? So, next year will be the third.
In case you don't know, CONCACAF already made a change, with the top club from Panama going to the Group Stage and switching with the top club from El Salvador who now has to start in the Qualifying Round.
Yes, there was - give me a sec while I look for it. EDIT: Here it is - http://www.concacaf.com/page/ConfederationDetail/0,,12813~1884059,00.html.
just wanted to give this thread a bump since the competition has started up again. Thanks again for all the hard work done to keep the coefficients the past 2 years!
Hi, I've been keeping an excel file 2 with these coefficients, And when I used your multipliers(The only different multiplier we had was the number of points awarded when qualifying to the 2nd stage) I found a difference for the mexico number in 2008-2009. This is because during the final that year, 2 mexican teams played each other and they tied in the 2nd leg. Acording to your data you counted that tie once, but I think it should be counted twice since both teams got a tie even if they are from the same country. That way the number for mexico that year would be 19.500 not 19.250 Hope it helped
This are my number to date by the way(after the first leg of the preliminary round excluding FAS vs Xelaju who play later tonight) Code: 08-09 09-10 10-11 Overal Mexico 19.500 23.125 2.500 45.125 Honduras 12.750 8.333 1.667 22.750 ↑ Canada 16.500 0.500 1.000 18.000 ↓ CFU 9.167 8.000 0.500 17.667 Panama 9.250 7.000 1.333 17.583 USA 4.625 8.375 2.250 15.250 Guatemala 5.000 6.000 2.000 13.000 Costa Rica 5.750 3.167 2.500 11.417 El Salvador 5.250 3.500 0.000 8.750 Nicaragua 0.500 0.000 0.000 0.500 Belize 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
You're absolutely right. I don't think that's the reason for the error, because I know I took that into account when I was calculating. Probably just a typo. But thanks for the heads up!
After 2010-11 Preliminary Round, First Leg Club totals will not change until after the first matches of the group stage, while league coefficients include bonus points for teams automatically entered into the group stage. Code: League Coefficient Nation 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Mexico 19.500 23.125 2.500 45.125 Honduras 12.750 8.333 1.667 22.750 Canada 16.500 0.500 1.000 18.000 CFU 9.167 8.000 0.500 17.667 Panama 9.250 7.000 1.333 17.583 United States 4.625 8.375 2.250 15.250 Guatemala 5.000 6.000 2.250 13.250 Costa Rica 5.750 3.167 2.250 11.617 El Salvador 5.250 3.500 0.250 9.000 Nicaragua 0.500 0.000 0.000 0.500 Belize 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Club Coefficient Club 2008-09 2009-10 Overall Cruz Azul 23.4167 29.6313 53.0480 UNAM 16.4167 22.6313 39.0480 Pachuca 0.0000 28.6313 28.6313 Marathon 14.2500 13.7500 28.0000 Atlante 25.4167 0.0000 25.4167 Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 22.6956 Toluca 0.0000 22.6313 22.6313 Santos 19.4167 0.0000 19.4167 Houston 10.5417 7.7638 18.3055 Montreal 16.5000 0.0000 16.5000 Saprissa 8.9167 5.0450 13.9617 D.C. United 2.5417 9.7638 12.3055 Columbus 0.0000 10.7638 10.7638 Arabe Unido 0.0000 10.3100 10.3100 Olimpia 10.2500 0.0000 10.2500 Comunicaciones0.0000 9.9800 9.9800 Tauro 9.0833 0.0000 9.0833 L.A. Firpo 7.7500 0.0000 7.7500 W Connection 0.0000 7.6400 7.6400 Real Espana 0.0000 6.7500 6.7500 Municipal 6.6667 0.0000 6.6667 San Francisco 5.0833 0.0000 5.0833 Joe Public 5.0556 0.0000 5.0556 Isidro Metapan0.0000 3.1550 3.1550 SJ Jabloteh 0.0000 2.6400 2.6400
After 2010-11 Preliminary Round Code: League Coefficient Nation 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Mexico 19.500 23.125 5.000 47.625 Honduras 12.750 8.333 3.167 24.250 Canada 16.500 0.500 5.550 22.500 CFU 9.167 8.000 3.500 20.667 Panama 9.250 7.000 1.667 17.917 United States 4.625 8.375 3.625 16.625 Guatemala 5.000 6.000 2.250 13.250 El Salvador 5.250 3.500 3.000 11.750 Costa Rica 5.750 3.167 2.250 11.617 Nicaragua 0.500 0.000 0.000 0.500 Belize 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Club Coefficient Club 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Cruz Azul 23.4167 29.6313 1.6667 54.7147 UNAM 16.4167 22.6313 0.0000 39.0480 Marathon 14.2500 13.7500 1.0556 29.0556 Pachuca 0.0000 28.6313 0.0000 28.6313 Atlante 25.4167 0.0000 0.0000 25.4167 Toluca 0.0000 22.6313 1.6667 24.2980 Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 1.1667 23.8623 Santos 19.4167 0.0000 1.6667 21.0834 Houston 10.5417 7.7638 0.0000 18.3055 Montreal 16.5000 0.0000 0.0000 16.5000 Saprissa 8.9167 5.0450 0.7500 14.7117 D.C. United 2.5417 9.7638 0.0000 12.3055 Columbus 0.0000 10.7638 1.2083 11.9721 Olimpia 10.2500 0.0000 1.0556 11.3056 Arabe Unido 0.0000 10.3100 0.5556 10.8656 Comunicaciones0.0000 9.9800 0.0000 9.9800 Tauro 9.0833 0.0000 0.0000 9.0833 L.A. Firpo 7.7500 0.0000 0.0000 7.7500 W Connection 0.0000 7.6400 0.0000 7.6400 Municipal 6.6667 0.0000 0.7500 7.4167 Real Espana 0.0000 6.7500 0.0000 6.7500 Joe Public 5.0556 0.0000 1.1667 6.2223 San Francisco 5.0833 0.0000 0.0000 5.0833 Isidro Metapan0.0000 3.1550 0.0000 3.1550 SJ Jabloteh 0.0000 2.6400 0.0000 2.6400 Toronto FC 0.0000 0.0000 1.8333 1.8333 Monterrey 0.0000 0.0000 1.6667 1.6667 Real Salt Lake0.0000 0.0000 1.2083 1.2083 Seattle 0.0000 0.0000 1.2083 1.2083 FAS 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 1.0000
I'm not seeing the Galaxy on there. Also, how are you counting the home and away series? As separate, individual games? I don't know if that's an accurate representation because the winning team in the first leg may play for a tie or even a small loss in the second leg and it still results as a "victory" for them. For example, PRI and Marathon this last round. I didn't watch the games, but my guess is that they were playing conservatively and that may have resulted in their loss. But it didn't matter because they had to lose by a large margin to be eliminated.
I'm assuming ArsenalMetro is counting two leg series as two games. UEFA counts two leg series as two games. I guess if UEFA clubs want to maximize their coefficient they should play to win the second leg even if they won the first leg by 5 goals.
Yeah, I know it's the way they do it. But it ends up punishing a team for being too good. And thus the coefficients that are determined aren't as accurate. I'll post the stuff I come up with later on in the tournament. It seems to be what CONCACAF is using and is simply based on whether or not a team advances. I'm not sayinig that I think this is more accurate, but I'm following it because it's what they're using. I posted the past years results earlier in the thread.
The Galaxy shouldn't be on there. Teams don't pick up any points unless they make the group stages. And yes, every match, even if it is part of a home-and-away, counts separately. Having a different result for one match as compared to the overall tie can only shift the number of points earned by a country by 1, at the most, so it really isn't a huge deal. I wholeheartedly disagree. If a team wins both matches, they get 2 points (+4 bonus for making the group stages) for their country. If they're that good, then they deserve extra. If there's a team that bunkers for a full match, hoping for a 1, 2-goal loss or a draw, then they don't deserve full points. Giving points for simply the winner of the tie would be a misrepresentation of what happened on the field.
Cruz Azul is just going to increase their lead. Honduras is looking good as the second best league in concacaf, which surprises me, good for them, let see if marathon can score more points for them.
Question that I am pretty sure I know the answer to, Toronto FC points go to Canada and not to the USA/MLS correct, I am sure this is the case I just want to confirm, sorry for the stupid question.
That is correct. Any Canadian team represents the CSA. Canadian teams are not eligible to qualify for the CCL via play in MLS (or USL/NASL/D2, any of that.) Teams represent national federations, not leagues.
As was confirmed, yeah, Toronto counts for Canada. Somewhat related, Caribbean teams count for the CFU, but I also have individual country totals hidden away on my spreadsheet.
Is your spread sheet simple or complex, I created one for Copa Libertadores this weekend and it is a mess, I got V-lookups going all over. I think I made it way more complex that it should be but oh well.
Or not ... they've drawn the 2 most difficult MLS teams to beat at home. Though I guess making the tournament every year and getting through to the quarters is going to keep you near the top, if many teams don't get there every year.
Notes before the new coefficients are posted tomorrow: - The United States coefficient for this edition is already equal to that of 2008-09. Every positive result for the rest of this tournament makes it that much better than the first year. - With a Seattle win tomorrow, the US would jump past Panama into 5th place.
You are right, Toronto FC should at least have 1/2 point form 2009-2010 http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/Standings/0,,12856,00.html
If you can't make the groups, you don't deserve anything. And since this is based on the UEFA coefficient, and they only give minimal points to those eliminated in qualifying rounds, I decided to do away with them altogether. Toronto's draw is the reason Canada has a 0.500 coefficient for last season. I didn't miss it.