Zarek Valentin at FK Bodø/Glimt

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Howard the Drake, Mar 26, 2013.

  1. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
  2. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I don't think a club can loan out a player against his wish, even in MLS.

    Impact is very Euro-centric anyway and I presume there was some prior interest there.
     
  3. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has some decent attributes he might get some decent coaching in Norway.
     
  4. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad, he did good for Chivas USA
     
  5. jakepc42

    jakepc42 Member+

    Mar 26, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the 4th overall pick is now playing in Norweigan second tier? Kinda strange isn't it...
     
  6. Major Major

    Major Major Member

    Jul 20, 2011
    Colorado
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After Chivas USA dumped him, Montreal replaced their team with All The Italians. He is a promising kid who could be good in MLS, but Montreal has done the best they can to purge Americans/Canadians from the starting spots.
     
  7. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Not if you consider how many MLS picks get bounced out of the league period. This gives him another chance to stick around the game.
     
  8. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, could end up being a good thing in the long run. If he's as good as his pedigree suggests then he'll have no problem making an impact (no pun intended) in the Norwegian 2nd division.

    If he shows well he shouldn't have too much trouble parlaying that into a permanent move to a club in the Tippeligaen, which is obviously a better career position than languishing on the bench for a wannabe Serie B team...
     
  9. Mario Balotelli

    Mario Balotelli Member+

    United States
    Feb 28, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll be joined by another former MLS-er in Dane Richards who was just loaned there today from Burnley.
     
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  10. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    There have been a number of US players in Norway II over the years - Goodson, Weaver, Bendik, Russell, Bijev, C. Burns, Gbandi, Needham, J. Stewart, Tobin and probably some guys Wikipedia missed.
     
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  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Lapira?
     
  12. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Not on that list ... of course, I remembered him for a second, then forgot again ...

    Adin Brown is on it (the list makes no distinction between Tippeligaen/Norway I and Adeccoligaen/Norway II) but I don't think Adin played in II.
     
  13. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't speak well of Dane's abilities that he could only get two games in four months for a middling C'ship side.
     
  14. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speed. Speed is all he has. The Champions isn't the most tactical, techincal league but they have athtletic players who can chase him down and exploit his lack of ball skills. I had a feeling the Championship wasn't a good fit.
     
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  15. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're also coached by former NYRB assistsant coach Jan Halvor Halvorsen.
     
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  16. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, Dane is definitely a one trick pony. Akin to Robbie Findley although Robbie at least had a run of games and scored a few goals in his time at Forest.

    With that said Dane shouldn't have nearly the same difficulties in the Adeccoligaen. I think both he and Zarek will do very well at this level of play and wouldn't be surprised at all to see both of them in the Tippeligaen next season.

    Also I think it should be mentioned that Zarek's mother is German so acquiring a German passport should not be a problem. This will certainly be a big help in advancing his Euro career if he is successful in Norway.
     
  17. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I think this is less about the Impact's preference for Europeans and more about Zarek not actually being very good.
     
  18. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps but he had a pretty decent rookie year with Chivas and he's still very young, especially for a defender. He's shown me enough already to think he has what it takes to become a solid pro in time. I don't think the 2nd tier of Norwegian football is above his level by any means.
     
  19. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    It was so decent they left him unexposed in the expansion draft.

    Despite his GA status, he's been sent packing in back-to-back years by teams that missed the playoffs.

    Yes, he's young, so he shouldn't be given up on, but he is starting to look like a byproduct of the system in which he played college ball.

    I'd love to be wrong and see him blossom into a solid pro who can start for an MLS team for a decade, but the early returns don't look promising.
     
  20. DearGodNotBornstein

    Aug 16, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How is it a bad fit for a player that only has natural athleticism to join a league that heavily favors natural athleticism rather than skill on the ball or tactical nous? I think it's a good fit and he was simply deemed not good enough for the team, at least by that particular coaching staff. I think Spain or Italy would've been a much worse fit.
     
  21. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Norway also plays very fast. Let's see if these two can settle there.
     
  22. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Dane is super athletic just speedy which is just one aspect of athleticism. I think he was a bad fit because the Championship has defenders that can match his speed but more importantly muscle him off the ball. You are right Spain and Italy would have been worse. I felt when he left MLS that Scandinavia would be perfect. His speed would cause havoc as those leagues are a little less athletic than MLS/Champ. but have a certain degree of tacticality to help Dane raise his game.
     
  23. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You make good points but the kid started 38 games in his first two MLS seasons as a 19/20 yr old (which is not remotely common in MLS for a defender that age) and he was a constant fixture in our youth teams, he has shown potential.

    No he wasn't getting games for Montreal this year but there are quite a few MLS defenders (including quite a few starters) that would struggle to see time behind what's one of the best backlines in MLS.

    He has more pedigree and experience than a player like Brad Rusin who (despite having been pro for three years and being three years older than Zarek) still hadn't made an MLS roster when he moved to Danish 2nd division in 2011. Fast forward two and a half years and Rusin is starting for the Whitecaps in his first MLS season at the age of 26.

    I've seen enough of Zarek in MLS to think he has what it takes become a solid starter at that level. He's not like a Sacir Hot or Boss who had reps as youth players as being legit prospects but no actual pro experience to justify it. I doubt Zarek will be anything more (which given his youth reputation would be considered somewhat of a failure) but I do think he can achieve that mcuh.

    I could be entirely wrong of course but I just think there is a little more reason to be a optimistic about his future than you're giving him credit for and this is coming from someone who is generally very pessimistic in situations like this.
     
  24. DearGodNotBornstein

    Aug 16, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a fair point. The physicality could throw him off of his game. Scandanavia isn't really a step up from MLS though. I think his idea was to test himself in a tougher league (or if you don't see the Championship as tougher than MLS, set himself up for a chance to play in the Premier League). In my opinion, it's more an out of his depth issue rather than a problem with the style of the league.
     
  25. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's interesting to compare the success (?) of players like Stuart Holden, Geoff Cameron, Kei kamara, and Roger Espinoza, to the lack of success of Dane Richards, upon leaving MLS.
     

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