Yugoslavia has ceased to be

Any idea how this will be handle for the international soccer world?

I assume the remaining parts will "join" into one team until they can vote for independence but what will they be called?

Andy

 

Let me see if I have it right:
Yugoslavia = Yugoslavia and Serbia-Montenegro
or
Yugoslavia = Serbia and Montenegro?

 

This is absolutley horrible for the region.The Germans have now accomplished what they failed to do in two world wars.And that is to break up any real resistance in the Balkans and gain control over the region.

From funding Mercenaries to kick off the war in the early 90's to fabricating rediculous lies about supposed Serb attrocities in Kosovo.The germans have been keen on making sure Yugoslavia has stayed in turmoil since the first breakup.

Anyone who thinks this is positive needs to take a serious look at the history and changeing demographics of the region.There is going to be fighting again.And I would wager that this time it will be centered on Montenegro.It is very unfortunate and something I really do not want to see happen.But unfortunatley the Germans and the US under the Clinton Regime set it in motion.And breaking up Yugoslavia will now push turmoil and distrust into Montenegro.

 

BTW I am American but my father is a Montenegrin Serb.I know very few who support an independent Montenegrin State.Everyone knows it will be a disaster and will likely cost many lives and will result in more Nato occupation of the region.

Also before anyone even thinks thinks of calling me a Milosevic apologist or supporter... I may be Pro Serb and pretty much a nationalist but I am very much Anti-Socialist.Just becuase I was very much against Nato's aggresion and the break of Yugoslavia does mean I supported the government in Belgrade.Like most Serbs I simply want the Serb people to have the opportunity to say who runs their government not Berlin.
And contrary to Western propaganda, Milosevic was on his way out regardless.And many believe that is why Clinton attacked, you cant meddle if they have a non contreversial leader.

 

What now?

 

The Germans have far more to worry about at home to be concerned about the Balkans.

 

zverskiy yobar,

This is quite interesting. I have a Polish colleague who works on their national security policy. He is convinced that Germany is behind everything and remains the supreme threat to E. European countries. He constantly argues that the US should prepare for an eventual war with the Germans. Based on my knowledge of the situation, his claims are about as rational as the US blaming 9/11 on the Japanese because of Pearl Harbor.

I'm sure he'd love to hear you present some evidence to back up your claims...

 

Evidence? cmon now, you know that is immposible.That is like asking for someone who claims the US governement supports Colombian Para militaries to present evidence.Its opinion not so much fact.

And most of what makes Politics is really just Opinion.If i could provide evidence damning Germany for involvement in the Balkans Civil war and the break up of Yugoslavia do you really think I would be posting on a soccer website?

Now maybe I should have posted IMO , but I suspect most who visit the politics board are smart enough to diffirentiate between opinion and hard facts.

as far as your Polish friend, I am sure if he has any knowledge of politics of eastern Europe. a theory casting Germany as a conspirator in the Yugo breakupo would not seem odd.

 

Germany behind the breakup of former Warsaw Pact states with the eventual goal of taking over the Balkans and Eastern Europe???

Ha ha ha ha ha.

That is so paranoid and conspirational that it is laughable. Put on your tin foil hat, the Germans are coming.

 

Are we talking economic or political/military control here??


Alex

 

@ zverskiy
Ya right!
As if we have any interest to take control of the Balkans! *puuuhahahaa*

We have enough problems at home with our chancellor and our recession. Why do you believe we should start (have started) a conspiracy to break up Yugoslavia?
Do you really believe that there is a constant of german policy from the Kaiser up to now?

You guys in former Yugoslavia and I mean all the different nations in it, YOU messed it all up!
I know there are a lot of bad things Germany did during the last century, but it´s NOT splitting up Yugoslavia!

domingo

 

zverskiy, does this theory also explain why there are tens of thousands of 'yugoslavians' currently in Germany then?

 

Seems like you took a nice big step in that direction with this agreement. So what's the problem again?

 

[Snatch]
Turkish: Tommy, what is a gun doing in your trousers?

Tommy: For protection.

Turkish: Protection from what? Zee Germans?
[/Snatch]

 

I'll agree that Germany was lightning quick to recognize Slovenia as a sovereign nation. But I seriously doubt it would foster war anywhere in the Balkans.

Macedonia is a more likely flashpoint than Montenegro, don't you think?

 

CLASSIC LINE!!!!!

BTW - Several points.

1) What's the difference? Serbia and Montenegro break-up. Everyone seems to be ethnically "pure" more or less - barn doors been open for too long now. Besides "The Former Yugoslavia" and "Serbia-Montenegro" were just too much of a mouthful. (to monopoly) But didn't Slovene recognition incite the Corats to break off and start the ball rolling? I'm not saying that was the German's or Slovene's intention. And speaking of flashpoints - how's Kosovo and Albania doing these days>

2) The first thing I thought of was "What about the soccer teams". Pray Serbia and Croatia never get put in the same draw

3) Some Poles and Slavs blame Zee Germans for everything. Barring that it's the Russians. Barring that, it's the US. Ignore them

 

2) The first thing I thought of was "What about the soccer teams". Pray Serbia and Croatia never get put in the same draw
[/B][/QUOTE]

If I remember correctly, they were drawn in the same qualifying group for Euro 2000

 

Dante, is that the official name of the new country?

Andy

 

Abbreviated, its S&M.

 

Yugoslavia technically doesn't exist anyway.

Try telling my dad it still exists, he'd give you a long lecture. He went on and on in Euro2000 about how can they still have a football team.

A state called Yugoslavia still exist, but is it really yugoslavia?