you guys see the columbus/la match?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by CbR, Apr 5, 2003.

  1. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    i was very impressed with buddle,bruce should defenatly give him some more solid playing time.He reminds me of a younger version of adolfo valencia (when he actually tried hard) just in the way the ball is glued to his feet in tight spaces.
     
  2. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    I think the player who acquited himself as well or better was Martino. I am a big fan of his passing. He has really great vision, and his touch is great. Both of these players have been in camp over the past couple of months, so I expect them to be involved in the future.
     
  3. Soccerholic

    Soccerholic New Member

    Mar 6, 2001
    Mile High
    I thought both Martino and Buddle played well yesterday, particularly Martino. LA had to foul to stop him. I'm looking forward to seeing both of them at the Olympics next year.
     
  4. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    both looked good, both need work. Martino is too weak at this point physically.He gets pushed off the ball too easily.That is a boy who needs weight training.
     
  5. copaantl98

    copaantl98 Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Overall, I thought that the passing on both sides were spectacular.
     
  6. jamesf24

    jamesf24 New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Brighton, MI
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Martino had the good vision, the good idea, but still needs to work on the execution.

    I think Buddle will keep Cunningham on the bench alot this season, both in Columbus & for the US bench.

    One player I thought played well in midfield, was Maiseneauve. He was a calming influence throughout, with a little luck, he might had a few good shots on goal.

    Dunseth also was pretty good in the back.

    On the other side, I thought Columbus exposed Califf a few times, in the past I've supported Califf being called up, but yesterday he had a bad game.

    James
     
  7. Chowderhead

    Chowderhead Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    Central Falls, RI
    And for all his limitations, Hejduk still amazes me with his recovery runs. Funny how his first touch is often on top of the ball.

    Buddle. I look forward to watching him grow.

    Martino for all his talent needs to be reminded that footy is a man's game. Less time picking out a headband, more time hanging and banging.
     
  8. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    watching him in person is amazing.

    i wish for one entire game they would do an 'iso-camera' on him and let everyone watch him run up and down, up and down...he might not be the most talented soccer player but his fitness and hustle is unreal...

    numerous times yesterday he made overlapping runs, only to have to turn immediately around and head all the way back down the field...all at maximum speed.
     
  9. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    wish to heck he had the skills of a professional soccer player!
     
  10. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I agree with Mr. "hanging and banging" to the extent that he means that Martino needs to work on his stamina and the physical aspect of his game, Martino's vision, quickness, ball control and creativity were the most impressive things in this match by a good distance.
     
  11. Noah Dahl

    Noah Dahl New Member

    Nov 1, 2001
    Pottersville
    Sorry Martin, but once again I agree with you.

    I also think a lot of people will get to see Hejduk play more this season and think he's "improved." They'll see he's one of our best backs, not just a fill-in.

    Similarly I'm waiting to hear people say Hartman's improved. His performance was the other remarkable thing about Saturday's game.

    But did anybody, other than Ty Keough, notice Brian McBride? Did Jeff Bradley really predict MBride would lead the league in goals? I suppose pigs could fly.
     
  12. porkrind

    porkrind Member+

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Going back to last year, I wondered out loud why he was not the heir apparent to the Keller/Friedel juggernaut. He looked fantastic between the sticks last year, and it looks like there's no letup this year... and this is coming from a Quakes fan.
     
  13. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Has Hartman gotten much better with his kicking game?
     
  14. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damm you!!!!!!!
     
  15. Noah Dahl

    Noah Dahl New Member

    Nov 1, 2001
    Pottersville
    Hartman

    Exhibit A, above.

    We know Kevin caused a fluke goal in MLS Cup '99 on a bad field. We also know his unbelievable play got LA to that Cup final.

    So footwork is the general knock on Hartman, (like "Burns didn't know enough to hug the post") but does anybody have a tally on how many goals he's let up due to footwork? 'Cause I bet it's less than Brad Friedel's given up due to bad rebounds.
     
  16. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    We were lucky to get a draw - Hartman was the true MOTM.
     
  17. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Having seen so much of the Champions League, EPL, and Spanish leagues on TV in the MLS offseason, the lasting impression I had of the MLS opener was that it was so

    S-L-O-W

    Just a snail's pace of a game. My rec league games look an awful lot like that, but this is our first division we're talking about here!

    I also agree with assessments above that Buddle can control in tight spaces like he has magnetic boots, Martino has great attacking instincts but is too small right now for larger international opponents, and Hartman was clearly geared up for the opener and delivered the goods. Hartman should definitely be in the mix for Nats duty if he consistently turns out performances like that.

    Also, I wonder if Martino will still have those skills and vision at the pace of an international qualifying match. My guess is that this will take a while for him to develop (if he ever does) and won't come easily. Hopefully we can get on top of qualifying quickly so Martino can get significant minutes in later games of round 1. The kid's got potential.
     
  18. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    Of course next to the champion's league, EPL and Spanish leagues, it is going to look slow. I think the "American" player has developed a much different pace and flow of the game. I think we exhibit more defensive toughness and physical play than those more finesse leagues. I also think that we obviously aren't on par with those leagues yet so of course it is going to play on a lesser level (i.e. slower).

    Your point regarding Martino is good with regards to speed of play at the international level. I think he will get some more call ups but he will have an opportunity to shine in the olympics, I believe along with Buddle.
     
  19. Noah Dahl

    Noah Dahl New Member

    Nov 1, 2001
    Pottersville
    It's probably slower, but I don't know about S-L-O-W. This game looked fast paced to me (for an MLS game) and I attributed that to the long preseason.

    Bo couldn't keep up - and remember the remarkable thing about SoKo and the US at last summer's World Cup: the Europeans couldn't keep up with our pace.

    If MLS is not played at breakneck speed, but rather somewhere between Euro and Latin American league pace, that's okay by me. But I think the production quality, camera angle, etc. make a big difference in one's impression of the quality and speed of play.
     
  20. highlander

    highlander Member

    Nov 9, 2002
    Springfield, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hartman's play was certainly the best that I have seen from him. Also, I will admit that I haven't seen him play too many games, but I have seen him give away two games to DC United with his feet. Both were hidious mental (not physical) mistakes and one was in a championship game. I don't buy the bad field excuse for the championship game. A great player anticipates the poor field and plays safely on it in his defensive third. Hartman got in trouble because he did not play the ball safely(he had alread controlled it). It was an avoidable mistake in a championship game.

    Hartman should be considered as part of the national team pool if he continues to play brilliantly and expect he will, but I have a hard time thinking of him as a hier apparent at the national team level with the memories of past mental mistakes (at a slower speed of play than the national team level) imbedded in my head.

    That said, Noah does make a good point compairing him to Friedel. There was a time that I never would have thought of Friedel as capable of his current level of play. I guess you never know. It pays to keep an open mind.

    Buddle is a superb talent. I realize that many people already are aware of his talent, but I thought that Saturday was a sort of official coming out party for him. I don't think that Martino, for all of his talent and effort, is quite there yet. For the type of critical attacking role that he plays, his breakaway needed to be put at least on frame. Key attacking players need to show accountability in front of the goal at critical points of the game. Most of Columbus's other missed chances were at least saved by Hartman. But he did show himself to be an exciting young talent and it will be fun watching him develop. I'll bet in a year or two, he puts a breakaway like that in the back of the net with his eyes closed.
     
  21. BelhavenKeeper

    BelhavenKeeper New Member

    Nov 15, 2002
    Vienna, Austria
    I know Hartman is 28, but that guy should get a chance for the Nats. He's definately better than Fat Tony. I wonder why he isn't in camp very often? I also wonder why Bruce thinks that the Keepers we use from now on when the big two are gone have to all be in their early 20's. Kahn didnt start a World Cup game until Japorea. I say give Hartman, Cannon, and Johnny Walker chances in some friendlies.
     
  22. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look Hartman and Cannon have both been in camps, along with a lot of other guys. However, game time has gone to Howard and Rimando, most likely because Arena thinks they are better, or at a minimum at least as good (meaning if two goalies are about the same, go with the younger one because he has more room to improve).

    You don't agree, that's what BS is before. However, many people will probably accept Arena's evaluation over yours because Arena has a proven track record.
     
  23. copaantl98

    copaantl98 Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Don't know whatyou guys are watching but I've seen way too many Champions League games that are extra slow. This game I thought was very fast-paced.
     

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