YNT-Eligible MLS Players, 2024 In-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Sandon Mibut, Feb 24, 2024.

  1. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There will be some misses for sure but so far they've done a decent job. I thought Wright was a weird choice for the WC but he's having another good season and has seemingly turned the corner into a reliable goal scorer. What I'm most afraid of is a player switching and always putting extra effort in when playing us and scoring a goal that beats us.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #127 xbhaskarx, Apr 9, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2024
    We have been lucky, so far it seems like no dual nat we haven't won has come back to really bite us, from the Rossi/Subotic days to various Mexican Americans like Jonathan Gonzalez, Efrain Alvarez, David Ochoa, three guys who are barely relevant as professionals forget international soccer... the biggest worry is Julian Araujo if he ends up a legit Barcelona player one day. But then again when was the last time any player from El Tri really hurt the US throughout their career? Forget the current guys who can't win a game, even the previous far more talented generation... Gio Dos Santos had that goal in the 2011 Gold Cup final, Chicharito had a goal in the 2015 CONCACAF Cup that seems less bad now that it's not a regular event... that's about it. Vela had two goals against the US that mattered somewhat, Jonathan Dos Santos had one, 2019 right before the tides turned. None really hurt the US with any consistency. The current guys, none of their big attacking players, Jimenez, Lozano, Gimenez, Martin, etc. have scored against the US in a big game or otherwise. The two that scored in the 2021 Nations League final, Corona and Lainez, are no longer getting national team call ups and may finish their careers with one goal each vs the US (certainly Corona will, Lainez is still young)...
     
  3. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Araujo will almost certainly never play much more than a token for Barca, but he's still a quality player. But as a mostly defensive fullback, I don't know that he's going to be that viscerally a problem.

    But someone will bite us someday. It may be Barajas; it may be Jude Terry; it may be Gutierrez or Kimbrough or whomever. Someone will simply wants to play for Mexico more, or perhaps someone who sees a logjam and develops or is simply good.

    There's too many chances for it to occur not to occur.

    Though I shed no tears for Alvarez or Ochoa; it was clear from the jump it wasn't going to be a problem. Too much smoke about work ethic for the former, and when I read Ochoa's comments that he didn't like that the US goalkeeping team wanted him to be disciplined in goal ... have fun with that.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its the nature of the beast.
    Our pool is expanding and expanding and expanding................but the number of opportunities at the youth levels and senior USMNT aren't

    So USYNT/USMNT staffs have to project and choose guys. Sometimes we'll get it wrong.
    Like the Netherlands got their evaluation of Sergino Dest wrong. Then they tried to come back and recruit him for the senior team, but it was too late.

    What you've gotta ask yourself is where Gutierrez would play on the national team. Are Pulisic, Reyna, and those guys going somewhere? Probably not. There may come a time when he thinks there's a better opportunity with Mexico than the US. Maybe if Mexico had an Olympic team, he'd already have made that decision. Maybe Luna would have too. I don't know.

    ..................and the player development moving sidewalk isn't stopping. There will be the "next" group after this U23 cohort of attacking players.

    Good players are going to fall by the wayside. And as the years go by, the caliber of those players is going to increase and increase and increase. And yes, a rising tide is going to life all boats. Honduras, El Salvador, Jamaica, Canada, etc. are going to pluck good players off. [Just like how North African team pluck players from France and Spain.]
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sweet Redemption




     
  7. McKenniesWeah

    McKenniesWeah Member

    New England
    United States
    Feb 12, 2024
    Did Ngoma come off injured last game? Not seeing him for NYRB.
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #133 xbhaskarx, Apr 13, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2024
    Habroune start




    Gozo bench

     
  9. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Sounds like he has a knee injury. Not clear yet how significant.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Ngoma ever not injured, damn
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really gutted for Peter Stroud. I thought he was tremendous to start the season for RBNY. It's kind of hoping against hope that it's not as bad as it seems.

    Even if he didn't suffer the injury, it would have been too late for him to make the Olympic team. But if the Olympics were in 2025, he'd be in the mix.
     
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  13. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    My biggest issue with that club is injuries. They just have too many for it to be all coincidental.

    Currently Ngoma and Mitchell are both also on injury watch from this week.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Caleb Porter continues to sit Revs kids"



    Perhaps that's for the best, now Porter can't blame the kids when he inevitably gets fired...
     
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  15. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty bizarre that he sits kids and Arena played those kids.
     
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  16. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Way back in his MLS debut we were thinking (even excited) that the top college coach would be good for development in MLS. LOL. He turned out to be the worst.
     
  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    And Arena won and he's already on the hot seat.

    For all the love Porter gets here from some for his two MLS Cups, he missed the playoffs four out of five years in Columbus and two of five years in Portland -- meaning that with two pretty talented teams (talented enough to win titles), he did get those two, but missed the playoffs 6 of 10 years.
     
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  18. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Shout out to Columbus Crew on their nationwide HGP scouting. They are getting quality minutes out of Morris and Zawadzki which was key for their championship run. Looks like they have other interesting HGPs getting ready. Obviously all this is post Caleb.
     
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  19. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Tim Bezbachenko (sp?) is probably the best executive in MLS, even over Lagerway, who gets more press.

    He took a completely hapless Toronto FC team and made them the best team in CONCACAF. Now they're shit again.

    Now he's taking a Columbus team that isn't payroll poor but isn't the biggest spender and has won a title, might be the best team in CONCACAF, is making a case for pretty soccer, and is challenging a LOT of assumptions on player development.

    Schulte was a college guy, but him, Zawadski, Jacen Russell-Rowe was a Toronto cast-off, Will Sands has contributed... these guys were not big prospects except JRR, who wasn't trusted by Toronto. They put together a C2 squad that was a bit more veteran but still young and then turned them into a title winning team. I'm not even counting Morris as I think he'd have been considered a prospect most places.

    There's always been a logical theory that best format for winning MLS consistently would be in prime stars + strong development pipeline. And there's been hints of it -- New England last year, Columbus, Seattle tried it but the homegrowns took a while and then their stars started to age, Atlanta is trying a bit... NYRB look good this year adding Forsberg.

    But no one has successfully pulled it off for a few years in a row. Will be interesting to see if Columbus, with a core of Nagbe, Cucho, Rossi plus a few TAM guys plus filling out the roster with youth can establish a bit of a dynasty.
     
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  20. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    His track record in both Portland and Columbus showed he's pretty averse to playing kids.

    There are exceptions - Aidan Morris probably being the most notable - but for the most part Porter likes veteran players and he likes foreign ones. That's his pro M.O. Kinda ironic for a guy who made a name for himself coaching college soccer but it is what it is.
     
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  21. Sup Bro

    Sup Bro Member+

    Oct 26, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, his MO used to include playing anyone who sniffed the field for him at Akron
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're about a fourth of the way through the MLS season. Right now the league is on pace for the lowest % of minutes given to U23 field players since 2019 (19.51%, down from 24.51% last season) and lowest % to U20 players since 2017 (3.94%, down from 5.08%). What's going on?



    the replies


     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marcus Chairez weighs in


    good question
     
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  24. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Cowell was sold, Cremaschi and Neal are injured. Ferreira, Sands, Celentano, Murphy, etc have aged out. I don't have everyone's minutes but I don't think the 2001s will make up the 2000s minutes. As mentioned above the 2006s aren't having the same impact as the 2005s had last year.
     
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I haven't looked into it for this year, but despite the % often looking high, just a few players can really shift the numbers. Players getting sold, injuries, etc. have a very real effect. Caleb Porter can have a very real effect -- not just Buck, but Esmir and Panayatou got big minutes last year (and there was another young midfielder as well).

    And if you look at the data, there's also just waves of good years and bad years -- one year drops off and another replaces.

    I'll take a look.
     

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