Yedlin at Newcastle: Once Upon a Tyne

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  1. Jazzy Altidore

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    He's been more or less a lock starter for a couple seasons now. I don't know why everyone is worried about him getting replaced. Once you have a more or less default right back, its often not the position a team will focus on upgrading.
     
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  2. freisland

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    Especially if you don't have the most effective attack in the league.
     
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  3. jmplautz

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    Yup. If your team thinks a better right back will help the team score more goals, unless your team is Citeh, your team has issues at the top.
     
  4. freisland

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    Of course, it's also not impossible that if the right player came along at the right price, Rafa is wiley and ambitious enough to swoop, but I doubt RB is top of the shopping list. And since it seems the grocery allowance is thinner than Gregg Beerholders hair, the odds are they will buy others assets first.
     
  5. Casper

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    Let's give them some credit for spending money - Almiron was expensive. Remains to be seen if they'll follow that up, but at least this past window, they weren't stingy.
     
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  6. Jazzy Altidore

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    How dare you say that about Gregg.
     
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  7. freisland

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    I thought he was bought with Mitrovich $$, but NUFC did buy a few more folks, although I think NUFC still bottom half if not 1/3 for fees/wages.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

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    Starts for the US v. Chile at 8 PM Eastern on ESPN2 and UniMas. This will be an interesting look at whether he can handle the hybrid RB/CM role that Berhalter is trying to develop.

     
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  9. felloveranddidanadu

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    Congrats to yedlinny on the armband last night. I don't think any of GB's positions in his preferred XI really suit Yedlin, but he'll get his time with the national team.
     
  10. BostonRed

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  11. Real Corona

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    Newcastle usually spend money. They just don’t spend it well. Of course they also sell. I mean getting Fulham to spend 23 mil on Mitrovic makes it easy to buy a better player like Almiron for 27.
     
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  12. ArsenalMetro

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    ...no they don't. Mike Ashley is notorious for how cheap he is. Almiron's purchase broke their incoming transfer record that had stood since Michael Owen arrived in 2005. With how much the transfer market has exploded since then, that's unheard of for a top-flight club.
     
  13. Real Corona

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    While Almiron was a high number they didn't actually spend that much.

    They spent 63 million this season.
    Brought in 49 in sales.

    2016 they spent 72 million after going down to the Championship
    2017 spent 44 mil

    In 2015 they spent 121 million while only bringing in 4.
    2014 : 47


    Before that the critique was more accurate when they rarely topped 20 million. This year wasn't an outlier in terms of spending money.
     
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  14. ChrisSSBB

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    Yedlin with the unlucky "assist" on Arsenal goal.
     
  15. Dirt McGirt

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    They don't spend money which is the problem and if they do it's normally small change. The Almiron deal was an outlier and that, imo, was meant to keep Rafa more than improve the club.
     
  16. Real Corona

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    Almiron isn't that much of an outlier. Yes he went for more in the last four years they bought four separate players for about 20 million. What happened to them. They sold Thauvin for an 8 million loss. They sold Mitrovic for 2 million profit. They sold Wynaldum for 8 million profit. Jonjo Shelvey can't even make the squad. They sold Townsend at cost. So 2 million profit on the three players they sold out and one who isn't even in the squad. Almiron isn't that far of an outlier, they just suck with their purchases.
     
  17. Dirt McGirt

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    If you list the incoming players over the last three to five years the disparity is rather obvious. Mike Ashley doesn't like to spend money. It's a big problem.
     
  18. DHC1

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    DM,

    Are you disputing the numbers in post 642 or do you think that those levels don’t constitute spending a lot of money?
     
  19. Dirt McGirt

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    #6469 Dirt McGirt, Apr 1, 2019
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    I'm not sure what "spent" means in that post. Operating expenses and wages are one thing but incoming transfers are another.


    Here's a better breakdown:

    https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...on-transfers-at-newcastle-and-where-it-ranks/

    2015-2016 was the biggest outlay of cash in the Mike Ashley era.

    2017-2018 normal service was resumed.
     
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  20. EruditeHobo

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    #6470 EruditeHobo, Apr 1, 2019
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    But... what does that post really say? Basically Newcastle haven't really spent in 4 years... and that post doesn't really argue against that idea.

    Since 2016, not counting Almiron, they've made 25M in the transfer market. Hardly the profile of a club that brings in a 30M striker in January, with a pretty high overall valuation and revenue when compared with the rest of the world.
     
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  21. DHC1

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    If I read it right(?!), they’ve spent 63 million, 72 million, 44 mil, 121 million and 47 million over the past several years.

    That doesn’t seem like a number that’s inordinately low. I’m not sure the net number matters that much wrt whom they bring in.
     
  22. EruditeHobo

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    Well the net number is the number that matters. The examples of clubs that improve while having a low (let alone a negative) net spend seem pretty rare to me. And the best example I can think of, which is Liverpool, the net number has been kept down due to extraordinary circumstances ie selling 3 players for, what, something approaching a quarter of a billion pounds. Which is astounding.

    Newcastle have spent like 4M pounds in the last 7 windows. That includes Almiron. So... if that's considered "spending" to you, I don't really get that. Their revenues are big, their value is considerable.

    Here are some points of comparison -- Huddersfield have spent 100M net in the last 4 windows. Brighton have spent 155M in the same timeframe. Southampton have spent 0 in 4 windows, which is only 4-5M less than Newcastle because LFC gave them 75M for VVD.

    So yeah... look at the net number.

    Another point of comparison... Newcastle makes a healthy 9 figures from the prem TV deal alone. Every year.
     
  23. DHC1

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    Thanks for the detail. Is the difference between the two perspectives that while NUFC spent on average 70M per year on new players over the past five years, you think it should be a lot more given that they also sold players and have a lot of money coming?

    To me, 70m doesn't seem so small but what matters is how many positions one has to fill and the relative value of purchased players.
     
  24. freisland

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