Yanks on Foreign YNTs (1997 and later)

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Apr 15, 2016.

  1. NoHammiesAltidore

    United States
    Jun 28, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am wondering if it is somehow reworking provisional cap typing so that Diego Fagundez situations do not happen.
     
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  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Or eliminating "being a dual before the first game" rule. We will get Fagundez. Or no provisional cap-tie period. Youth players will jump back and force between countries even more. And we will get "the best youth player in Americas".
     
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  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Allowing basically unlimited YNT switches (perhaps with a cup-tying rule that doesn't let you play in the same major individual competition for multiple countries) might be messy or controversial but it doesn't seem crazy. Neither does eliminating the "Fagundez rule." It does seem like something that more or less says if you play in a major adult competition for one country, you're stuck with them, is reasonable.
     
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  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a minimum, they need to eliminate the "5 years after 18" rule that requires a lot of players to submit waivers to FIFA. Perhaps add a "5 consecutive years before age 18" exception with a "moved not for football reasons" requirement.
     
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  5. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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  7. abcdefghi

    abcdefghi Member

    Real Madrid
    Trinidad and Tobago
    May 31, 2018
    The entire 05 and 04 YNT player pool(approximately 120 kids) had a zoom meeting this week with G Berhalter.
     
  8. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks! Would presumably include players like Antonio Leone and Malick Sanogo.
     
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  9. abcdefghi

    abcdefghi Member

    Real Madrid
    Trinidad and Tobago
    May 31, 2018
    I don’t have a full list of who was on the call, but if they weren’t it wasn’t because they weren’t invited.
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good thing we don’t have any duals with possible Chinese citizenship since zoom supposedly has spyware on it for China.
     
  11. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not exactly true (the spyware part) but there are rumblings that if China wants to know whats on a zoom call...they can make that happen. Until the implement the full end-to-end encryption.
     
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  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Wan Kuzain's little brother, an '02, is apparently of interest to Malaysia, just like his big brother, Wan Kuzain:

    The apparent success of mixed-heritage and naturalised players' programme has also seen it included as part of the Malaysian FA's (FAM) long-term roadmap F:30, and at the moment, several more mixed-heritage overseas-based players have been identified, such as Belgian right back Dion Cools, English teenagers Jaami Qureshi and Kobe Chong, as well as American-born Wan Kamal brothers, Wan Kuzain and Wan Kuzri.
    https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/har...imely-reminder-for/1ma2nuicknmae1ngczbtizohtj
     
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  13. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Taishi Brandon Nozawa was called up for a short midseason camp with the Japan U19s. He has yet to make a matchday squad for FC Tokyo this season, having played a handful of games in the 3rd division with their reserve squad last year.
     
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  14. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems in this interview Santiago Munoz says he has been contacted by the USSF and has gotten good reviews from them although has yet to receive an official US call-up, and he says he is very much open to representing the US. From about 9:30 to 11:30 in the video. '02 striker who was born in El Paso and played for FCD's youth affiliate there with Ricardo Pepi before moving to Santos Laguna. Showed well for Mexico at the U17 World Cup although has not been at Mex U20 camps yet.

     
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  15. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    Sounds good. Only problem is that he's cap-tied, so it'll have to be at the senior level, if he ever becomes good enough for either senior team, at which point he's probably an irrelevant consideration for our youth teams.
     
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  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    Pure goal scorer. He's similar to a more athletic Busio in how he impacts a game (he's also a lot better overall). A byproduct of Germany's recent downturn is that some of the better German-American's might stick with Germany longer, and have more of a chance to suit up for their NT.

     
  17. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    News via @charlie kennan. Scotland was monitoring Jack McBean at one point, which is actually a good comparison for how Conway plays.

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  18. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    So Conway is English-Scottish-American? He was born in Leeds.
     
  19. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    Good point by @Balerion. This is something I had seen last week and wasn't sure if it was an error, but it does appear that Rivera ('03) would have to now file a one-time switch to play for the USA. It's unlikely to ever matter, but like with Alec Diaz, you'd rather have the option to call a player into a YNT camp than forcing them to file a one-time switch, and then getting a call into a YNT camp. If its close between a few players on the fringe to get called into a camp, the one cap-tied to another country probably won't be the one called in.



    Not that it matters for the purposes of this thread, but he scored his first pro goal yesterday. He's an underrated player in his age group.

     
  20. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Zion Suzuki (born in the US to a Ghanaian father and a Japanese mother) is a hot goalkeeping prospect in the Japan YNT system who was brought up in the Urawa Reds academy. After joining Urawa's senior squad this season, he has made the match squad once each in the J1 League and League Cup.

    At international level, Zion played in the 2017 and 2019 U-17 World Cups (starting against the US in the latter), was selected for the 2019 U-20 World Cup, and will look to secure a starting spot in Japan's U20 squad for the 2021 edition.
     
  21. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New Mexico U20 "virtual" camp includes five Mexican-Americans: Efrain Alvarez, Sagir Arce, Hector Holguin, Santiago Munoz, Julian Vazquez. Probably more or less the same thing as the Zoom meetings the USYNT age groups have been doing. This is Arce's first involvement with the FMF after a handful of US U17 camps. Also the first U20 call-up for Alvarez and Munoz.

    https://miseleccion.mx/noticias/3181/Convocatoria%20de%20la%20SNM%20Sub-20
     
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    Does anyone think Arce is anywhere close to making it into a US U-20 camp? I don't, and thats a huge weak spot for the U-20 pool.

    I wasn't thrilled with his play for the U-17's at the Nike Friendlies in November either. I'd prefer he not play for Mexico (I'd prefer none of those players play for Mexico), but you have to get very far down the list of players I'd be worried that Mexico might poach to find Arce's name.
     
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  23. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He is definitely higher on their depth chart than ours. Could say the same about most or all of the other names too except maybe Munoz.
     
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  24. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this happened, it would make Jonathan Gonzalez eligible for the USMNT in fall 2021, if he were interested in switching. It would also keep Alec Diaz as a theoretical USMNT option down the road if he gets cap-tied by Puerto Rico and isn't recalled or they don't have camps.

     
  25. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    would dest be ineligible to switch since he played in concacaf nations league or is that not considered a tournament 'final' by fifa?
     

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