Yanks Abroad Flavors of the Week: 2019/20 Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    to answer your question, yes I think there is a material gap between NUFC and Fulham. The same Fulham got demolished when promoted to the EPL after looking great when earning promotion and I believe that players like Almiron would demolish Championship opponents like he did in MLS.

    are there exceptions like Sheffield United? Sure but they’re exceptions.
     
  2. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Does material gap and huge gap mean the same thing to you?

    Also Almiron would if played as an ACM like he was used in MLS. He would be much more dangerous in the EPL if the coach could find a way to get him more central as well.
     
  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    im not sure the difference between the two. NUFC players are by and large better.
     
  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Yes, it is amazing. Not surprised you couldnt connect the dots from something so obvious.

    It is a bigger issue than just USL league one. It is quite simple. The country needs significant investment in the sport but there is limited incentive for most. Of course the ones with the monopoly dont seem to understand.
     
  5. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In YA, Tillman got the start at CAM in a 4-3-1-2 diamond after his 2 assist sub appearance in Furth's last match. I did not see the match but he was 24 of 24 passing with 3 key passes in his 75 minute stint in a T1-1. Green is out injured.

    Weston is as we post, starting in his tilted RCM slot in Schalke's 4-3-1-2 diamond.
     
  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The worst NBA team would beat the best college team a large percentage of the time.

    But in addition to any talent gap, there's an age limit to college (and the most talented players tend to leave earlier). If the Championship were the best U22 players, it would be structurally more comparable.
     
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  7. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Everything you say is correct. The only problem is that this issue was around long before MLS. MLS did not create this. It’s been the way things have been. Does it need to change? Yep.
     
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  8. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    This is what I thought, but I didn’t want to assume anything.
     
  9. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    There are probably more elite NCAA players who are able to immediately step into the NBA than there are MLS players who could step into the the Big 4.

    However, no one claims that the overlap is anywhere near as significant as MLS fans think the overlap between MLS and the major is.

    furthermore, of the guys who could potential play at a higher level, there's a large number of back-side-of-their-career / beginning-of-retirement guys.
     
  10. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Ok. So here is where things get more complex. Fulham had a style of play they built their team around. There were certain skill sets players had to have in all positions that eliminated some players you might deem better. For instance I doubt Fulham would think twice about signing a player like Yedlin. He doesn’t fit their player profile. This happens all over the league where one team will rate a player and mother won’t.
    Just curious, how did the two matches between Fulham and Newcastle turn out last season?
     
  11. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    When you say large number of players on the back side of their careers do mean 50%, 60%, or 75% of MLS players are past their prime?
     
  12. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    BTW, I think OC has 2 out of 27 players that fit this description.
     
  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Do you see it changing? If so, how? I dont see it changing for some time.

    I also dont think comparing today's situation to that of 25 years ago is all that instructive. I believe this country could be much further along if there was structure of the game that incentivizes people to invest in it. MLS very much eliminated all but 30ish groups of investors to put significant amounts of money into the game.

    Those you mentioned in another post who volunteer or make charitable contributions is only a tiny fraction of what is needed.
     
  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still don't understand why you attack "MLS fans" for "not understanding" that starting a 3rd division club in the US doesn't have much upside. It's a pretty bizarre stretch, the only purpose of which is to try to shit on "MLS fans" (like you do in most of your posts).

    By the way, for as much as you crap on soccer in this country I'd love to point out that you're now complaining that it's tough to start a 3rd division club in the USA. I mean, f*ck dude, 25 years ago there wasn't a first division. Now, second division clubs are building this with little to no possibility of playing in the first division for a long time.

    Continue barfing your hatred over everything, though, because the rest of us are just idiots.


    ETA: And, f*ck, I just realized that you've brought this shit to the YANKS ABROAD FLAVORS OF THE WEEK thread. My apologies to everyone else for taking the bait.
     
  15. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    All that account does is post ignorant MLS takes. It’s amusing.
     
  16. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    I'm pretty confident there are many more MLS players who could step into a big 4 team than there are NCAA basketball players who can "step into" an NBA team, if by step into we mean "be a rotation player who makes a positive contribution to their team." Usually that description fits maybe four or five rookies per year, and those are players (by definition) who are a year past their college experiences.

    By contrast there are a number of designated players who could do the same thing, to say nothing of your (say) Reggie Cannons or whatever young players who probably could.
     
  17. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    So you dont get it. It is a shame there are so many ignorant fans in this country willing to accept whatever is provided because it is better than what it was 25 years ago.

    I didnt bring anything to this thread but respond to an MLS fan who claimed soccer development would take off when something happened that is very likely not to because of the structure of the game in this country. The guy thinks he knows what it would take but doesnt care that it is unlikely to happen.
     
  18. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    I don’t know if it will change, but if it does, that’s the next step. MLS is top down. Academies making USL teams is bottom up. It’s the obvious next level for all the academies littered across our country.
     
  19. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    How do you think academies are going to create USL teams? They charge their players to play in their academy. Maybe they could charge players to play in USL?

    With MLS having a monopoly on the game, it would seem like it should be their role to have multiple "minor" league teams like MLB has.
     
  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Investment in the game has already taken off. USL is turning a profit, even with the drag of the low-level academy-based teams. And they're also forming an academy system.

    What alternative structure would vastly increase investment in soccer?

    How does MLS have a monopoly on soccer in US?
     
  21. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    You misunderstood my point: of the elite MLS players who are likely good enough to step up a level, a large percentage of them are past their prime players (chicharito, vela, Ibra, etc). Not of all MLS but only the very small subset of players that have the ability to play up (just like NCAA to NBA).
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    St. Louis Scott Gallagher owns Saint Louis FC.
     
  23. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    you think that most DPs could step up and play in the big 4?

    NFW - here’s a list: https://www.google.com/amp/s/the18....mls-designated-players-2019-list-salaries?amp

    it includes

    - Zardes
    - Jozy
    - bradley (no longer)
    - bedoya
    - Howard
    - arriola
    - Dwyer
    - wondo

    this is what I’m taking about @Calling BS - people vastly over-rate minor league players in MLS.
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Speculation with little reasoning.
     
  25. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    "a number" != "most," thanks for playing.
     

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