Yanks Abroad 2024/25 thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Aug 2, 2024.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    And it's getting bigger. USLC is still good enough to stay on the field and even win some games, but that's soccer and largely tournament soccer. In a season long version, they'd be buried -- anyone remember when FC Cincinnati won USLC and kept much of their team and then won three straight wooden spoons? Or how RSL and Red Bulls have fairly recent USLC titles despite being youth teams?

    Payrolls aren't going to get closer unless USLC figures something out significant financially. They are almost certainly going to create a smaller USL Premier League soon ... but I'm not sure they have 12 teams that want to yet. Louisville and Sacramento likely will be able to support a higher payroll with their stadiums, but Phoenix has struggled financially and won't be able to afford a Phoenix-friendly stadium any time soon and Indy seems to have lost their stadium site and funding.

    Do any of those teams have the money to push up payrolls to even within striking distance of MLS? Or to poach someone of a slightly bigger name? I go to Roots games and it's fun, but it's not great soccer.

    This is the business problem every soccer league other than MLS has. MLS was structured to basically incent owners to overinvest in the league for decades with the promise of the massive team valuations they now have. We lost some things with that but it is what the other leagues could never really figure out.

    There's simply no way to get a reasonable payback period on a soccer team that is trying to play at higher levels. Stadiums cost hundreds of millions now; player salaries exceed gate receipts easily in the early days. You can't just have one team invest, either, like the old Cosmos -- for the league to survive, you need a lot of owners on the same page. Or three owners owning everything.

    It's just really hard to coordinate. If USL could have kept Cincy, poached Minnesota, gotten to Nashville first and had a real owner in Austin ... maybe they'd have had enough critical mass with the four to five quality markets / teams they have now. But they don't. They have some good followings but are wildly undercapitalized in some of them (Oakland, Detroit), face some real issues in Phoenix, are caught in a political war in Indy, etc.

    It's the genius of the MLS structure, really, and while a lot of people hate it, it worked. And I don't know that much else would have.
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course the other factor is NCAA.

    An 18 year-old may forego the chance to get a scholarship for a $80k a year MLS HGP contract.

    He's less likely to do that for a $20k a year USL contract.
     
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  3. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So far Trusty and CCV have looked very good against Dinamo.
     
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  4. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member+

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The real worst nightmare isn't just that MLS is good, but that MLS breaks the wheel of Euro dominance by supplanting some of their cherished "authentic" (shambolic, broke, small time, and poorly organized) leagues. And it's happening.
     
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  5. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While CCV and Trusty were both good Trusty was a touch better. Won more aerials and was better as a 1v1 defender. CCV was better with his attacking passes.

    Next up PSV with Tillman (LCM) starting. Pepi and Ledezma on the bench. PSV needs to get all 3 points to move to the top tier of the Final Series Playoff group.

    Veerman and Schouten are back from injury so Tillman at DM is unlikely moving forward.
     
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  6. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Typical Tillman half. Does not look like he is doing much but ends up with 3 tackles and 3 interceptions at the half along with his typical great connection play. Good shot from outside the box is saved btythe Brest GK who is standing on his head.

    Downside, Malik switched off defending on a FK leads to a Brest goal totally against the run of play.
     
  7. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Fairly low impact half until he did a poor job of marking at the backpost on the goal. Waited for the ball to come to him and his mark came around and stooped to center it back across for a straight forward finish.
     
  8. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i think returning players are another important factor- guys who dont "make it" or plateau (mihailovic, miazga, luca, potentially a sarge or wright type), end of career/past their prime guys like a ccv or, yes, a wes/puli type (post wc), and also guys like green or maloney who have never played here would be an interesting element.
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    look, i get the dynamic of national hero trumps all, but at what point is it simply bad management? the only thing thats stopped pepi for scoring over the last 2+ months is peter bosz.
     
  10. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tillman and Ledezma already on. Pepi and Chucky joins at 71.
     
  11. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of you obsess way too much about a few fan opinions on the internet.

    Most soccer fans don’t give a shit about this MLS v Europe paradigm you can’t stop blabbering about.
     
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  12. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Malik off for another AM

    .12 npxG+xA

    2/4 tackles
    3 ints (one nice one reading a build out)

    Overall probably a 5/10 game because of the error on the goal.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brenden Aaronson scores at the death from point blank range after two others declined the opportunity. 3-1
     
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  14. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tillman's line:
    83 minutes, 7 of 12 ground duels, 2 of 4 aerial duels, 1 of 2 dribbles, 4 tackles, 3 interceptions, 3 key passes, 1 shot on target.

    SofaScore has Tillman at 7.4. The YC means he misses the next match v Liverpool IIRC. For comparison de Jong 6.2 and the 2 outside backs 6.3 and 6.4 were dreadful.
     
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  15. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Pray tell where in the FotMob box score is the line for “failed to clear ball or box out your mark on a set piece leading to him creating a gilt-edge chance and a goal”?
     
  16. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Agree 100%. Those players will play the Dax McCarty or Bedoya type of solid to good player improving the league and giving solid leadership within their teams and they will consist of players that never left as well as those that went overseas and returned without real top level success in a top 5 league. I do believe, however that far fewer to none of the mid-level returning players will have gone over to Europe without any real MLS experience (Sargent, LDLT, Wright). At the very least, they will have spent time in an academy. (I am of course speaking about raised in USA Americans, Americans raised abroad, of course will have been developed in that country's development system).

    Agree also that there will be a stream of our top level guys returning near the end of their careers as well. Imo, the only reason we don't have any now is that there was such a large gap in quality talent from the days of Dempsey, Bradley, Donovan et al. They have all retired and the only players still playing that are or were top level are still in their primes. In 4-8ish years or so I think you sill start to see some of the top guys returning to MLS and once that happens, there will likely be a steady stream each year as guys near the end of their national team careers. (of course an improving league could also speed that timeline somewhat).
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Weston just needs to fight his competition in the parking lot
     
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  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wright was at LA Galaxy but moved to the Cosmos rather than sign a home-grown contract.

    And grabbing the youth program was a good marketing move for MLS because Pulisic's and Sargent's academies are now under the MLS Next banner, as are other top academies such as Barca Residency and IMG.
     
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  20. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Always good to see actual footage for those who did not watch the match. Brest goal at 3:13.

     
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  22. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Marta and Banda won a championship with the Pride this yr.
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The same folks who didn't put any USWNT Olympic winning players in the best 11 are valuing NWSL results that highly? Doesn't some team or the other win NWSL every year, as with all leagues?
     
  24. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    The response was to somebody who was calling Martha a corpse. She is hardly a corpse she played a major role in the pride winning the championship this year.
     
  25. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member+

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know what proportion of fans we're talking about. I haven't conducted a poll or anything. But I have been told for almost 30 years now that MLS is fake, plastic, or a ponzi scheme by folks who held that Europe defined how things were meant to be. I'm going to enjoy watching that collapse. Is that petty? Yeah!
     
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