Wynalda wants MLS to change it's season to match rest of world...

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Coyote89, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh. Either way it's snow.
     
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  2. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And those celebrations are muted a bit by the effort to come up with new reasons not to like and attend MLS games
     
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  3. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    But we might get to 60 tomorrow. :) Though Chicago seems to be heading back to fighting with the freezing line (32 F).

    I would be real interested if MLS put out a survey which asks 3-5 questions.

    1) Have you ever been to an MLS match?
    ...a) How many MLS games have you gone to in the past 3 years?
    ...b) Are you/ have you been a season ticket holder?
    2) How far is the closest MLS market to where you currently live?
    3) Do you want MLS to switch to a western european calendar?

    They might have to hide the fact that it is MLS asking the questions and add superfluous questions because soccer surveys in this country tend to get co-opted by people with a cause. The Fire had a survey intended for local fans about the experience with the club and I heard from someone within the club that it essentially became useless because there were a significant amount responses from people out of town and they didn't know if they were Fire fans/customers or not.

    I suspect those that answer no to question 1 and/or put less than 5 for 1a will say yes to question 3.
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The survey could ask people for their zip code. People could hypothetically make up a zip code to make the survey inaccurate, but that's unlikely. Because traffic matters, how easy it is to get to an MLS game shouldn't measured just by distance. By asking for zip codes, teams could make their own estimates of travel time from each zip code. It's possible to have a person in Brooklyn living closer to Red Bull Arena than a person in New Jersey, but the person in Brooklyn would need two bridges and/or tunnels. Furthermore, if you ask a person how far he is from the nearest MLS market, he may guess the distance and be wrong, or he may go by the distance to the center of a city without realizing what suburb the club plays in. I can't prove this, but I'm guessing that people getting directions from their phones would make them make less accurate estimates of distances to places they go to regularly compared to how people would estimate ten years ago.
     
  5. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A survey like this most certainly came to me from MLS over the last 12+ months and it appeared to have been directed at verified season ticket holders.
     
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  6. Coyote89

    Coyote89 Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 18, 2017
    #106 Coyote89, Jan 26, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2018
    Here's my survey response...

    1) Have you ever been to a MLS match? Yes
    ...a) How many MLS games have you gone to in the past 3 years? 12 last year but we just got our team (ATL)
    ...b) Are you/ have you been a season ticket holder? Yes
    2) How far is the closest MLS market to where you currently live? 50 miles
    3) Do you want MLS to switch to a western european calendar? Absolutely not. Even though my team (ATL) has a retractable roof dome and I never have to endure the extreme hot or cold, I still wouldn't want a fall-spring schedule because...

    A) It would likely result in a long and disruptive mid-season break (est 4-6 weeks)
    B) It would likely result in a very unbalanced schedule where I'd have a LOT more home games in bad weather months than good weather months as the league would likely shift games to warm weather climates and domes in the winter
    C) I'd have more conflicts with the college basketball games I attend
    D) More cold weather games would affect the quality of play
    E) Players would find MLS less appealing if they had to play 1/3rd of their season in bitter temps
    F) It would drastically reduce ticket sales at a time when MLS is heavily dependent on gate revenue. I don't like that because I want the league to grow.

    Note that I used to live in Philly, but if the Union had a fall-spring schedule, there's ZERO chance I'd buy season tickets. I'd just pick a few individual games in warm weather months. No way I'm sitting out by the river in 18 degrees plus windchill which is exactly the temps we endured on our last visit in December.

    Apparently, a lot of responses were similar to mine because Garber admitted recently that they surveyed season ticket holders and estimated that a fall-spring schedule would have a large, negative impact on ticket sales.
     
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  7. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The reason I think that survey would be interesting if it could go out to beyond MLS fans/season ticket holders is to see if opinions on how MLS should comply to western european calendar is based on how much or how little MLS someone attends. I don't think switching to a different calendar will make them go to any more games.

    I think there are limitations based on people being able to afford to go to games or distance having to travel to see a game, but the data that you could gather would probably be constructive. I think the responses could differ significantly if you go to more than a handful of MLS matches a year or can't/won't go to a game.

    I live in Northern VA and I went to 8 DC games last year, 1 Fire home game, and made it to Seattle game when I was traveling. My opinion is going to be different than someone living in Arizona or Carolina who doesn't have the same ease/ability to see a game.
     
  8. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Russia has a longer winter break than actual offseason right? No reason that couldn't work here
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It hasn't worked in Russia with attendances a plummeting as a result. It's quite possible they will return to a summer schedule after the World Cup. See the link I posted earlier.
     
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  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the point then?
     
  11. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is why switching the calendar simply to say we switched is stupid.
     
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  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except that it's absurd. IMO, it destroys the integrity of a single season.

    Ideally, most new signings should happen in the offseason. In odd-numbered years when there isn't a World Cup or European Championship extending the offseason, the Russian midseason break has been up to four months long, while the actual offseason is three or four weeks. The Danish league has a similar schedule. In those circumstances, a true preseason camp with a large number of new signings and trialists can only happen in the midseason break. Not surprisingly, a club's squad for the second half of each season almost always resembles the first half of the following season much more than it resembles the squad for the first half of the same season.
     
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  13. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there's *one* way you could make it work here. Two seasons like some leagues do. The final competition comes from the top placed teams in each half of the season. A number of the minor league baseball playoffs work that way. Don't play from bowl season (mid-Dec) through early March. Like now. Playoffs in June/July. Short break and pick up the new season in Early August.

    I don't think we should do that--but it is feasible and fits with our market.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But then MLS won't be taken seriously until there's a single season ;)
     
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  15. El-ahrairah

    El-ahrairah Member+

    Sep 20, 2004
    Wanker County
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What? Another road block? First it's "MLS won't be taken seriously until we play a European schedule". Next, it's "MLS won't be taken seriously until we play a single season". What's next? MLS won't be taken seriously until all teams are within a 3- hour bus ride from each other? Or MLS won't be taken seriously until New York has 5 teams and LA has 5 teams in a 10 team league?
     
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  16. Coyote89

    Coyote89 Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 18, 2017
    Note that EPL clubs just spent 419 million pounds (almost $600 million) in the January transfer window. Kinda negates the argument that MLS can't make deals because our transfer windows don't align with the rest of the world.
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #117 Paul Berry, Feb 2, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2018
    From the Deloitte report

    'However, soccer is now full of examples of
    effective regulation controlling costs (as is common in US sports), such as UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations.'

    :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


    The only real problem for MLS in not conforming to the mythical FIFA calendar, which is not used in most areas with extreme winters (and may be abandoned in Russia), is the international week in November that screws up the playoffs.
     
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  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like when MLS plays, but MLS playing during the World Cup (and other summer national team tournaments) is another negative.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't it down to the teams to decide, as in the English Football League?
     
  20. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but if MLS didn't play during the World Cup (I'm not suggesting a season change, I'm just giving a hypothetical), clubs wouldn't have to decide between playing weekends during the World Cup or playing more midweek games.
     
  21. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The league does shut down for the group stage. The option is on other Fifa dates.
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Most of the group stage this year. MLS has no league games from June 14-22 but the World Cup group stage goes until June 28. That is a change from 2014 when MLS shut down for the entire group stage.
     
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  23. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the main reason is that there is far less of a need to do so.... Sadly.
     
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  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Out of curiosity, does anyone have a decent estimate of how many MLS players will be playing in the World Cup?
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a list of 2017 call-ups at https://www.mlssoccer.com/international-call-ups/2017
    You just have to map the players to qualified teams.
     

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