WWC19 USA v SPAIN Round of 16, pre/pbp/post

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Well I "could." I have a library of a little over 4000 movies. Before anyone asks, yes they were all either purchased by me or they were part of a large library inherited from a much beloved uncle. But I will hold off mentioning any more, until the next time. Or maybe Same Time Next Year. :geek::laugh::)
     
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  2. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    #302 goussoccer, Jun 24, 2019
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    Because they are exhausted - and they are also EXTREMELY fit. "Leaving everything on the field" has to do with not giving up on a play, or taking a mental vacation, or feeling sorry for yourself. It also means though (as others have said) being a smart player. That ASSUMES that you have also given everything in every practice/training session and made yourself as physically and mentally ready as possible. If you haven't, then someone else deserves the spot more than you. And if you aren't willing to suffer on the practice/gamefield with your utmost while still being able to play at a high level, then you don't get to play.

    They are ELITE athletes, their recovery is extraordinary. Do not compare a youth player with any World Cup athletes.

    Sorry, one other thing, part of being that level is to have the mental fortitude to NOT give in to what your body demands, or letting your opponent know how tired you are.
     
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  3. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not counting that one.
     
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  4. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    My only issue is with your comment about Naher -- we don't really know yet. The Spain goal had to be in the upper 90 to score....whatever the reason they had the chance to take that shot. The kerfuffle with Crystal, I agree, she kind of panicked...but I don't think the 20 years before her were totally without errors or kerfuffles either.
     
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  5. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Good answer. I'll try something like that tomorrow as we watch the last of the quarterfinals. But I do not have great hope for the answer being satisfactory for the girls because they question everything and believe very little that comes from an adult. But I am GRANDPA and they believe me more than just about any other adult.

    Q: Do you know why grandparents and grand kids get along so well?
    A: Because they have a mutual enemy.
     
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  6. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    I would never just drop in the name of a movie after all we have to stay on the good side of "Them."
     
  7. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not counting that one either.
     
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  8. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    #308 goussoccer, Jun 24, 2019
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    I'm not a grandpa yet, but I'm old enough -- just need the kids to get going!!!

    My experience though is that young'uns need simple answers. They don't seem to see the players who lose....ask them about those athletes. The winners will always find some energy, some joy. But look at the field after a knockout game and see what the losers are doing. Ask them about Christine Sinclair, the Cameron team, Brazil. The point is -- to make it to the level of a World Cup athlete, the game needs to mean everything to them. It has to be who they are. Not every athlete is willing to do that. That's OK, we are not all meant to be that level.
     
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  9. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    #309 FanOfFutbol, Jun 24, 2019
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    OK. One thing that drops over time is self control. Like I just said to my eldest granddaughter after getting the little one to bed, It's "Just You and Me, Kid."
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    No. The second penalty was total crap.
     
  11. Filthy Yank

    Filthy Yank New Member

    USA
    Poland
    Jun 24, 2019
    NFL - Intercept the pass
    MLB - Cut off the throw
    NBA - Steal the ball.
    NHL - Break up the pass.

    Detect sounds like the termite man spraying for bugs.
     
  12. ntxsage

    ntxsage Member

    Apr 25, 2012
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    DM is not the only outlet. Dahlkemper has played in some of the most effective balls directly to wide fwds. Dunn has as well. Lavelle also often picks up outlets from the back. Horan is miles better as an outlet than ertz...but the scheme doesn't seem a problem. The issue is Heath and Pinoe can beat players in the first 30 minutes. After they fatigue a little, they no longer have the pace to win in space. Rapinoe declines more rapidly and her pace diminishes more severely than Heath. Ellis subbed the entire front line to good effect in the recent past...they come in and play the same scheme and often effective. Maybe she is saving Press and Pugh for France.
     
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  13. Filthy Yank

    Filthy Yank New Member

    USA
    Poland
    Jun 24, 2019
    There is an advantage playing at home and the USA is the big dog in the fight. I didn't even know that you can sub 3 players until today, but France and the US looked much the same to me.
     
  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Chastain/Scurry OG vs Germany in the 1999 WC QFs opening moments come to mind. Brandi scored to tie that match at 2 later on. Scurry also redeemed herself in that tourney.
     
  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, she spiked her above the socks in the box. Could have been a yellow.

    Having said that, the ball was was gone & not under Lavelle's control.

    Technically a foul in the box but I would not have called it.

    Kind of like the Cameroon/England offside call. Yeah, she was offside by an eyelash. For me, that is functionally even.
     
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  16. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    "Total crap" is wrong. Studs contacted Lavelle near her knee. I don't think that is debatable really. How strong the contact was and whether Rose had control is a different discussion. If someone is tackled in the box and not involved in the play, is that still a penalty?? My point is that anywhere else on the field if a player cleats another in the high calf/shin area, it's a foul. Why is it crap if that is called in the area?
     
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  17. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member

    Feb 25, 2017
    Man, this is a tough crowd. As others have noted, it’s unusual to get thru a seven game tournament run without a game like this. Since everyone has picked at them plenty, here are some things I liked:

    Rapinoe isn’t the player she used to be, but her experience and guts are valuable. Burying two PKs is not nothing (ask Messi). Press and Pugh are faster and fresher, but I think we would miss Rapinoe’s edge, especially with Lloyd out of the starting lineup.

    Even after a brutal back and forth game between them. Rapinoe and Corredera traded shirts. Good for them for leaving a hard fought game on the field.

    Naeher may not be Solo or Scurry, but I hope today helped shake out her nerves. One bad mistake, then did what she needed to.

    Lavelle and Mewis...but not at the expense of Horan. I don’t think Ertz in the midfield and Dalkemper in back is worth benching Horan or Mewis. Slide Ertz to the back and have your best players on the field.

    Spain seemed to have decided that Morgan shouldn’t beat them. They were all over her, fouling her on and off the ball. It did seem to take her out of the game, but we should have enough weapons to make up for it.

    Friday has the potential to be epic. I hope both teams bring their best game.
     
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  18. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great post.

    Though I think we may need all the height we can get (Dalkemper) vs France.
     
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  19. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    The only thing that matters is the location of the foul. The ball's position does not mater. As long as the ball is in play any foul in the box is a penalty." Even if the ball is not in play a foul in the box by the defending team is still a penalty. Like a corner is about to be taken but has not yet been kicked and a defender elbows an attacker at the top of the six. The call is a red card (probably) and a penalty shot.

    It actually comes up from time to time in the lower leagues but is very very rare at the higher levels of professional soccer.
     
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  20. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    The problem as I see it (leaving aside that I think this fits the definition of "trifling" contact to a tee), is that there was NO DOUBT from the center in real time that there was sufficient contact. We were then treated to the spectacle of basically needing frame-by-frame to determine that there was a lack of evidence contradicting the initial assumption. There's something supremely messed-up about the incentives at work there.
     
  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    My contention is that not only is that almost NEVER a foul outside the area, it cannot possibly be treated the same as a similar incident in the area due to the procedures surrounding VAR.
     
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  22. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Welcome to the big time. Mexico plays like that, they threaten their coach's contract.
     
  23. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member

    Feb 25, 2017
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  24. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It works.
     
  25. Plxix

    Plxix BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 13, 2006
    A few things: Ertz should play at CD. Get Horan in midfield. Ertz can't pass as well, and with Horan, Mewis can ghost behind Morgan more often.

    I like Beckie a lot but Dalkemper is better.

    Rapinoe and Heath should be subbed by the 60th minute (with Lloyd & that little girl what's her name).

    Having Naeher in goal made me so nervous. Prozac didn't help because she was still in goal.
     

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