WUSA shuts down

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  1. charcroson

    charcroson New Member

    Nov 22, 2000
    Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    This is exactly why I now fervently hope that MLS goes down in flames and the Men's NT never again makes it out of group play.
  2. roarksown1

    roarksown1 Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Playa del Rey, CA
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All these arguments are the same one's as the men who you say made this place so unpleasant. It's just in reverse. That's funny.
  3. roarksown1

    roarksown1 Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Playa del Rey, CA
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    Sour grapes. Even funnier.
  4. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    Just heard. Not the best timing. Perhaps it was to encourage possible investors. After all, there isn't that much to do in the off season that they can't do 2 or 3 months before the season starts. Anyway, does anybody know of a sports league that started since 2000 that has is making money?
    I don't think there is.
  5. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, I didn't go to a single Breakers game. But I was glad that they were there. I was at Founders Cup I, but that was it. I'm a little disappointed it only made it 3 years.

    That said, I think this can do nothing but good for MLS. If there's no competitor league, where else can a soccer freak get their fix? (I'm in a good mood today, so don't blast me for not being too broken up)
  6. Fah Que

    Fah Que Member

    Sep 29, 2000
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Semi-Pro women soccer will go on.

    There is barely enough demand to support a full professional men's league right now. WUSA made a big mistake completing against MLS instead of collaborating.

    The future of women's soccer in US will depend a lot on the success of men's soccer.
  7. LotharDSM

    LotharDSM New Member

    Oct 3, 2002
    Des Moines, IA
    So you learned about soccer and watched games only due to the fact women play it? Why? Do you hate men? Feel obligated to support womyn in whatever they choose to do/play? Or just like to watch women runnin' around in shorts getting sweaty hoping Chastain scores a goal and starts removing clothing?

    If you really enjoyed watching and learning about soccer, then why not watch soccer, mens or womens? Your problem obviously has nothing to do with the sport itself.

    Personally I think it sucks the league in all probability will fold after this announcement even though I'm nowhere near a WUSA city. BUT "fans" such as yourself were never interested in the sport anyway, so it's not really a loss for anyone.
  8. Tom T

    Tom T New Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Soccer Wasteland
    Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    Well.... you missed a good time.
    The timing seemed to be right after WWC 99 but it turned out to be the wrong time economically ...amongst other issues.
    MLS seems to have positioned themselves for at least a longer haul.

    If only WUSA could have.

    A sad day for those of us who have daughters and wouldn't have spent a $1 if not for them!
  9. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    The 5% of annoying, immature and chauvanastic MLS fans that pissed you off sound very similar to yourself. I would say at this point, lady, that MLS is your last, best hope at maintaining any semlance of a womens professional league.

    This is a shame for soccer and the timing is questionable. It certainly does not help the morale of the womens nats. Its just too bad.

    I would also say that the failure of WUSA is not a soccer failure or of even womens sports. But one thing that womens sports absolutely has to have to survive is womens support and sponsorship. Without that, all womens pro sports will fail. There is not enough male crossover interest to sustain it.
  10. RedZion

    RedZion New Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    Wow.. at least you are honest.

    Thanks for the support.
  11. truthandlife

    truthandlife Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    I am sorry. That is my opinion. You don't have to agree but it is difficult to market to the male spectator. It is a dificult sell. Even the LPGA realizes that women's sports is a tough sell. The LPGA offered image training to about 60 of its members last month, saying that appearance is one of a five point plan to attracting more fans to their sport. The full day of instruction included help from fashion designer hair-stylist John Barrett, and makeup artist Trish McEvoy, who helped give the athlete tips such as how to make their hair appear more "touchable."

    If the women's game was the main attraction, why would Heather Mitts pose in FHM magazine?

    <img src="http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/23/commentary/column_sportsbiz/women_sex/cap_mittscombo.jpg">

    Don't take the WUSA league folding personally. Women's team sports have never made it at the professional level and it is very dificult to be the pioneer. I think the WUSA was a pioneer but I think the WNBA is realizing that it is great for women to professional team sports but it is not very profitable.
  12. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    Well MLS certainly offered to help them position themselves. But people like Julie Foudy said no thanks, we have a better way to show off our superior game. Maybe not.
  13. Liverpool_SC

    Liverpool_SC Member

    Jun 28, 2002
    Upstate, SC
    I am going to attribute this to the shock and pain of the announcement today. Otherwise I would have to say you sound *ALMOST* as close-minded as the MLS and USMNT fans that you are criticizing.

    It isn't like the men players are dissing the girls? Why aren't they worthy of your support - especially if you love the game.
  14. athens77

    athens77 New Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Durham, NC, USA
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the guy was sort of right, and he took a ton of crap for it. He may be no Mr. Personality but he called this one.
  15. Albany58

    Albany58 Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Concord, CA USA
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a sad day for soccer in this country. I've been a fan of both WUSA and MLS teams, and this serves to remind me that the status of our sport in this country is still on the lower tier. I hope that somehow a women's league can and will continue. I hate to think of the gloating that a-holes like Gary Radnich on SF's KRON-TV 4 (an inveterate soccer hater) will do when they hear this news. Be of good heart, charcroson, something good may come out of this.
  16. charcroson

    charcroson New Member

    Nov 22, 2000
    Yes. I have no interest in men's sports. At all. I think they're boring and generally rely on brute force more than skill. I also think they generally lack sportsmanship and a sense of proportion.

    You know, it's not like I don't notice the "accusations" of lesbianism. But I'm immune, because I actually *am* a lesbian. Thus, I'm not afraid of being called a lesbian. Nor am I offended by being "accused" of being a lesbian. I like being a lesbian and I like women. If you think that equates to "hating" men -- that's your damage, not mine. And if you also think it equates to a prurient interest in every woman in the world -- that's also your damage, not mine.

    So if you think I'm going to watch men's soccer to fend off accusations of being a lesbian -- my, my, you're sadly mistaken.

    That's the point. I *don't* enjoy "soccer", I enjoy women's sports. (And generally what the men who *don't* support the WUSA have been saying is the same thing: they don't like "soccer", they like *men's* soccer. Go call them homosexuals and women-haters, why don't you?)

    The women's soccer league made me interested in soccer, as a sport. Like Juli Furtado and Missy Giove made me interested in mountain biking as a sport. What's wrong with that? Now I bike myself, and now I watch the Tour de France and watched Lance win number 5 in July. Without Juli and Missy -- I would never have seen Lance. Isn't that the way it's *supposed* to work?

    But the WUSA detractors (to use a mild word) here made me supremely uninterested in watching anything *but* women's soccer. I *could* have been interested in soccer in general, if I hadn't had to put up with exactly the kind of crap you're spewing here and MLS fans have been spewing since I got here: women's soccer sucks; what, are you a LESBIAN?; who's the HOTTEST player ever?; feminazi; Foudy is a bitch; Title IX is a feminazi agenda; and so on.

    The fact is, all the men who have been running down WUSA since I got here aren't interested in *soccer* either. They're interested in men's soccer. I guess that means they get all hot and bothered when Joe Max Moore gets all hot and sweaty and pulls off his shirt. I guess that means they hate women. I guess that means they feel obligated to support men in whatever they do. And I guess fans like them were never really interested in the sport of soccer, anyway.

    And, you know, there's nothing that says I have to be any more tolerant of people who act like *#*#*#*#*#*#*#s than anybody else. Like I should put aside being called a feminazi, and Julie Foudy being roundly excoriated and lied about, just for two examples, so that I can be "even-handed" enough to watch men's soccer. *#*#*#*# that. When Foudy is no longer demonized by male soccer fans -- that's when I'll watch your sport. Until then, pot, meet kettle.
  17. 6thMan

    6thMan New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    This is very discourging news on several fronts. First of all, we need female role models for all of those thousands of little girls playing soccer. Each year the sport becomes more popular as the statistics show. Sponsors need to look beyond the money issue here. Yes, it is easy for me to say that since it is not my money but the good will that has to be created by their support will go a long way if we can band together here and make our power be known. The woman are the shoppers, they spend the money and that means they have power. Use your power to keep this league going. It is the right thing to do.

    On the timing of the announcement, I first thought it was terrible. Having thought about it a bit, it may be better before the World Cup because people will be talking about it and that means we (all of us) have a forum to let the sponsors know how we feel. Nike wants us to buy their shoes, Kellogg wants us to eat their cereal, Tide wants us to use their soap and Nordstom want you to buy their clothes. The woman of this country spend the money which means they have the power. Come on, do what is right just once rather than just for the money.

    And finally, I think it was a stand up call by the league officials to make the announcement while they still had the money to pay their loyals employees and players. It would be a sin to bale on them before they were paid the money they are owed. And finally, really. It is important that each of the existing players and WUSA hopefulls go looking for other positions rather than be decieved by any hope of the league continuing. They can go on with their life.

    I simply hate all of this. What a shame.
  18. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas Burn?
  19. truthandlife

    truthandlife Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Re: It is not a soccer thing but a women's thing

    I am just giving my opinion and I know you are probably upset if you supported the league.

    As we have seen, individual women's professional sports, such as golf and tennis, have been a success and taken root in the United States. However, as for team sports, most of women's leagues and organizations have struggled to survive.

    It was an uphill battle from the beginning but I believe the WWC will be great and they will probably sell out the every seat. America comes to see events (i.e. 1994 WC (record crowds), 1999 WWC record crowds and record stadium crowd). Americans get bored very easily and there is a lot of entertainment choices these days.

    I believe the men will have the same challenge as the women but will have an easier time than the WUSA. Time will tell.
  20. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    Stay on topic. Women vs. men, men vs. women is not the topic. The whole "us vs. them" thing doesn't do anyone any good.

    The main reason WUSA failed was bad management and a bad business plan.
  21. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution; Boston Breakers
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    bd19. If they had that many dollar signs, they wouldn't be folding, er, I mean, suspending operations.

    From the WUSA press release
    Maybe she and Nomar could sponsor a team.

    I guess I'll be going to a lot of Boston Renegade matches next year.
  22. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    To make a bad analogy-- the fact that a restaurant goes out of business does not prove there is no market for people eating food.

    Women's soccer will be back. That won't change the poor decisions made by WUSA.
  23. charcroson

    charcroson New Member

    Nov 22, 2000
    Right. See how much I want to spend 3 hours in the stadium with *this* guy watching *any* sport? The good news is all I have to do is avoid men's sports and I'm home free.
  24. Spartacus

    Spartacus Member

    May 20, 2001
    The NO SOCCER Zone
    Spot on! This isn't an indictment of Soccer. This isn't an indictment of Women's Professional Team Sports. This is an indictment of a business plan that placed too much emphasis on television revenue, and thought that the gate would take care of itself.

    Then, ask yourself this...if by some chance MLS could step in and keep all 10 franchises intact...annexing them if you will (moving clubs not in duplicate markets) to keep the concept alive, would you still support it?
  25. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    Well, I'm a fan of MLS but I wanted to say I'm sorry that so many soccer fans lost their teams today.

    No individual fan deserves to lose his or her team.

    It's only the absence of like-minded people that causes teams to fold.

    A Real Madrid fan is no more worthy of a team than a Washington Freedom fan.

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