Would you welcome unifying with CONMEBOL?

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  1. XaviusX

    XaviusX Member

    Mar 21, 2001
    Tampa, Florida
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is something that a lot of my friends and I have argued for a while now. It's probably been talked about before on this forum, but I want to reopen this topic.

    We'd likely have a system similar to UEFA where you'd have a number of groups with about 6 teams in each. The Top 2 or 3 teams in each group would qualify for the World Cup. However, my other question to you guys is: Will this improve the quality of the teams in CONCACAF or will they be put on the backburner as the South American sides take over the limelight, if any, we had?
     
  2. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    nope, but i wouldn't be upset if it happens
     
  3. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    if you are going to change something: get the 1/2 spot to a game vs conmebol 5th and concacaf 4th

    the .5 spot should not have to go as far as oceania or asia!
     
  4. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Olimpia
    Guatemala
    May 1, 2005
    US
    Same here.
     
  5. el chingon

    el chingon Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Chicago
    Club:
    Club América
    ill like mexico to merge with conmebol
     
  6. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    that would be even better :D
     
  7. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    i'd like costa rica to merge with conmebol:D
     
  8. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    I could conceive the draw looking something like this
    4 groups of 6 (approximately) after weeding out of minnows?

    1) Big 4 (Mex, USA, BRA, ARG)
    2) WCQ (ECU, PAR, TNT, CRC)
    3) close (GUA, PAN, URU COL)
    4) SA (CHI, PER, VEN, BOL)
    5) semis (JAM, HON, CAN, SLV)
    6) rest (SKN, SVG, CUB, HAI)

    Best 2 in each group qualify or winner qualifies, 2nd place goes in an intercontinental playoff.

    I think the teams in CONCACAF mentioned above definitely will improve (especially if it is done on a home and away basis). I slightly suspect that we are more likely to see groups hosted on one site (probably the hos's) for logistical reason. One can only wonder what the possibilty of hosting Brazil could do for Kittitian football, even though it might make for an ugly score.

    On the other hand, the other 30 odd CONCACAF teams that are weeded out beforehand are going to be even further behind the back than before...
     
  9. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Merge CONCACAF and CONMEBOL without Warner/Blazer and Leoz, sans the current FIFA leadership, and it would have an impact. To do it now would have little if any impact on things like distribution of wealth/resources, development, and competitve balance, imv, because the vast majority of efforts and energies would not go into or toward these things, but, rather, toward the consolidation and acquisition of power.

    The number one question current leadership in both confeds would ask is "Who rules?" They would ask this precisely and exactly b/c they have permanently forgotten the only true answer to that question, and crafted what must be described as a mythology of their own that for some reason we've all bought into - at least bought into it enough that we have the milktoast-to-mendacious/Manichean leadership we have.
     
  10. LN - Dougg

    LN - Dougg Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Dale City, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    My opinion: Like Morado's. I vote no, but won't bother if it happens.

    Emotional/Personal opinion: HELL NO! lol My country of birth, mi corazon is having enough trouble as it is qualifying, if this happens, hell, I doubt we'll ever make it to the second phase of qualifying.
     
  11. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub New Member

    Jul 23, 2006
    I would love a move to CONMEBOL for both the US and Mexico to see some world class soccer more often. I have nothing against the Central American countries or the Carribean countries, but the Americans and the Mexicans dont gain anything in playing them anymore.

    I would much rather see mexico go down to Buenos Aires to see Mexico try to pull down a good result, than play the same minnows and knowing the outcome.
     
  12. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    u guys honestly think if Mexico goes to south america they would qualify each time? the reason there is a concacaf is so that Mexico qualifies every world cup... if they were in conmebol which they should be they would be like uruguay or colombia and have to fight for the play off spot.... but Uruguay or Colombia would destroy the play off spot of concacaf... that is why u guys play asia and we play oceania...

    Colombia or uruguay would do alot better in a world cup than Fiji or New zealand... Costa Rica or Honduras would do 1000x better than Iraq in a WC...

    what i rather that itd be an AMerican qualifier but it would be awful to fly from colombia to US to qualify... it really would be all about jet lag... to fly from mexico to brazil would suck... thats kind of why the qualifiers should stay the way it is...
     
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  13. Xizor

    Xizor Member

    Jun 20, 2006
    All I know is the only teams that have a chance against CONMEBOL teams are USA, Mexico and Costa Rica. I'm not sure about the smaller teams like Guatemala and Panama. But if FIFA decides to do this I wouldn't really care.

    Mexico, Best Team Ever! :rolleyes:
     
  14. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub New Member

    Jul 23, 2006
    there are really two great teams and 8 ok ones in conmebol but those 8 are better than all ecxept two from concacaf. Im not saying that the US and Mexico are better than those 8 but that they are at least on par.

    I like mexicos chances against the remaining 8 conmebol teams and when u think about how the seeding would probably go up by at least 3 giving the region at least 7 seeds. Mexico would only have to beat out 3 out of the 8 remaining conmebol teams. Which is very duable.

    The US on the other hand im not to sure, not because I doubt their quality, but because I havent seen them play Conmebol opposition recently in tournament play (and the recent world cup gives me doubts) . The Americans are a difficult side to beat whent they actually care to play and give some effort I dont see why they arent able to go through.

    Im also not saying that Mex and the US will make it to every world cup easy, but I would rather play argentina, colombia, brazil, etc... and get great soccer and not qualify than continue to play T&T and Costa Rica, make it to the cup and do nothing.
     
  15. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont outright oppose it but i find the logistics of such a move to be difficult to manage.

    I have always thought that a better organized CONCACAF is the ideal solution.

    For example, at the club level creating a legitmate Club Championship backed by TV money and real investment.

    Internationaly i think the best solution for CONCACAF is to restructure the small island nations into one association.

    Combine:
    St. Lucia
    British Virgin Islands
    Cayman Islands
    Surinam
    Aruba
    Dominica
    Antigua & Barbuda
    Netherlands Antilles
    Montserrat
    Bermuda
    Grenada
    Turks & Caicos Islands
    US Virgin Islands
    St. Kitts & Nevis
    Anguilla

    into one team called the West Indies or Caribean Islands. This would go far in developing those nations football program by pooling their recources so they can actually compete. It also eliminates the dozens of matches for inital qualifing.

    Go with a Federation of:
    USA
    Mexico
    Costa Rica
    Honduras
    Guatemala
    El Salvador
    Panama
    Canada
    Jamacia
    Trinidad and Tobego
    Caribean Islands
    Haiti
    Nicaragua
    Dominican Rebublic
    Cuba
    Belize


    16 teams instead of 30.

    4 groups of 4 for first phase qualifing

    top 2 from each compete for WC final round. (give more teams a shot at the WC and to get more games at top levels in the federation)
     
  16. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Belize and Nicaragua are not better than some of those islands you put a part, they need to play early qualification rounds with them
     
  17. mexicano

    mexicano New Member

    Dec 19, 2003
    Templológico
    i wouldnt mind if it happened. We should have all the Caribbean islands play a tournament against each other and whoever wins gets a spot on the group stages with the 'weak' teams (Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, etc.) ((OJO, i quoted the word 'weak'. Just so people wont think im trolling)). Then teams that are considered 'weak' should have playoffs to see which one gets to go with Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica to play CONMEBOL teams.
     
  18. Goofy

    Goofy Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    support for oneself.
    easy ticket to the world cup. :D
     
  19. Q Exp

    Q Exp Member

    Jul 29, 2004
    I wouldn't mind unifying with CONMEBOL too much. I don't mind having CONCACAF as it is now, but uniting with CONMEBOL wouldn't drive me crazy.
     
  20. calixtoj

    calixtoj Member+

    Oct 30, 2011
    Spring, TX
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    I would like a merger :)
     
  21. Xizor

    Xizor Member

    Jun 20, 2006
    Did you not watch the Copa America? CONCACAF opposition were crushed.
     
  22. coppercanuck

    coppercanuck New Member

    Mar 21, 2008
    I like the idea. CFU will always be a challenge. Similar to OFC.
     
  23. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Olimpia
    Guatemala
    May 1, 2005
    US
    You are free to create a new thread. No point in bumping a 10 year old thread.
     

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