Would you trade Kreis so he could win a championship?

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by gotyourback, Jun 5, 2003.

  1. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    Jason Kreis has recently mentioned that he didn't know if he was going to be able to contribute to the Burn when Frisco 2005 rolls around. Given that, and the fact that the Burn have been snake-bitten in the playoffs with Jason's drop-off in production; would you be willing to trade Jason to a team that is on the brink of winning the MLS Cup so he can get what he deserves?
     
  2. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know how to vote.

    I don't want to stand in his way so it would depend on what we can get in return. If we can get a player or two that gives us a better chance of winning a championship AND Kreis gets a better chance then...maybe. Sure.

    Trade Kreis and roll the dice with a talented but unproven youngster - No thanks. Kreis for Twellman - yes. Kries for Ralston and Wolde Harris - no thanks.

    I want to Kreis win a championship here.
     
  3. VivaIslamico

    VivaIslamico Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had to vote other. When Burn players leave, I generally hope for good things to happen for them, but my priority scale kinda goes like this:

    1. Burns wins championships
    2. Whatever else

    The decision to trade or not trade Kreis should be made based on what the Burn gets out of it. I'm sure some people will argue that Kreis has earned special treatment because of his fine record of service to the Burn, but do we really let that special treatment interfere with the ultimate goal of the Burn winning championships?

    p.s Guess how much I cared about Graziani doing well in San Jose? (answer: not too much)
     
  4. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say it's too early to say.

    If the Burn continue to struggle into July or August and look at best like they're headed for another 1st-round-and--out playoff performance, I'd encourage the team to look at trading Jason for some solid young talent.

    But if the Burn manage to turn things around and look like they could do well in this year's playoffs, keep Jason even if it might hurt his chances of being on a championship team.
     
  5. Texan

    Texan New Member

    Jan 8, 2001
    Other

    Like any player on the Burn, I would trade him if it made the team better in the long-run. Unfortunately, with his reputation of second half and playoff mediocrity I doubt the Burn would get much value for Kreis. So, unless he becomes a clubhouse cancer over the issue I would keep him.
     
  6. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    What kind of question is this?

    Trade one of our players so HE can win a championship? Surely you mean trade one of our players so WE can win a championship, right? If not, your priorities are completely backwards.

    I suppose the implication is that we should somehow feel sorry for Kreis. I don't. He's a professional soccer player in the US, and even more rare, a well-paid one. I can't imagine much more you could ask out of life. So he may never win a championship with the Burn. Boo hoo.
     
  7. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    agreed 100%, if he wants to win a championship then he needs to rally the rest of the offense to contribute to the scoring. He's the only consitency on the team, we lose him who knows what will happen.

    Whoever votes for "build the team around EJ" needs some screws tightened IMHO.
     
  8. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    I would trade him any day if it brought us MLS Cup. Winning MLS Cup NOW is what this entire franchise is about. I could care less if Jason wins MLS Cup for himself, and probably he does not care either, it's about the team.

    WIN MLS CUP. Everything else is just details.
     
  9. djwalker

    djwalker BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2000
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't see building the Burn around EJ. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I just can't see it.
     
  10. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    This is perhaps the closest to what my current reasoning is.

    If Jason works better with Rhine because of Bobby's unselfishness, then make it happen. If Cerritos can add to the fray later in the season like he did last, so be it. If Rhine isn't helping the cause at 60, sub in Cerritos and work it that way.

    If EJ can't handle riding the pine for another year, trade him - because EJ won't go much longer tearing up U23 and scoring magnificent goals in practice without growing totally bitter.

    But wait... who is at "what level of experience", and who is young, and can contribute to a nucleus of a prominent future club.

    The veterans:

    Jason Kreis
    Oscar Pareja
    Chad Deering
    Steve Morrow
    Ronald Cerritos

    Younger players who can contribute to a four year plan of success:

    DJ Countess
    Chris Gbandi
    Brad Davis
    Eddie Johnson
    Chivas
    T-Bone
    Ryan Suarez
    Paul Broome
    Joselito Vaca
    Bobby Rhine
    Jordan Stone

    Now, naturally I haven't mentioned everyone, but I think a point may be made here for the future. And when you factor in Dragon and the induction of Frisco, the equation gets even more interesting.

    If we trade Jason Kreis now, could we add to a good nucleus and work a four year championship plan?
     
  11. PaulGascoigne

    PaulGascoigne Member+

    Feb 5, 2001
    Aotearoa/NZ
    IF we could get some good value for him, great. But clearly we don't need to give him away just to give him a chance. He had his chance to move to another club if he thought they had a better chance.

    Why can't the Burn be good enough to win it in the next year or two?

    Also, gotyourback, WHAT drop in production? He seems to be doing fine right now.
     
  12. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    Context... production drop-off come late-season/playoffs...

    At the beginning of this season, ROB offered more scoring, because, quite frankly, the Burn need more than Jason Kreis scoring goals.

    Well, ROB is probably out effectually for the entire season, so who's going to score more goals?.. Davis?.. Cerritos? (t'would be great if he repeated last year's late season surge).. Rhine?.. If Bobby is to start with Jason, we're going to have to depend on him for some goalscoring *on his own*, and not be dependent on Kreis.

    I'm not sure we could win a championship this way, but we may be relegated to *hoping for exactly that*.
     
  13. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    One more perspective

    Frisco will be a major focus for MLS upon opening. Indeed, the *soccer world* will notice this unique complex and will get a look at the Burn too.

    What does this mean for the organization? Do we want the prospect of our only reliable scorer retiring and leaving us in a rebuilding stage at such a critical time?

    Should we build around our youth and make *THEM* our *Main Attraction* that will pull an audience/market?

    This is a CRITICAL consideration for HSG and Burn management. While a title of "Defending Champion Dallas Burn" would look good in the DFW/US headlines, the product put on the field that will justify long-term growth is imperative for the first Frisco season.
     

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