Would local talent increase your interest in the Rapids?

Let me be the first to laugh my arse off.

Do a quick search of the local talent on the team. They've got a couple of local boys. See Wes Hart and Seth Trembly.

If the Rapids win that would increase the interest. However, you are kind of preaching to the choir here.

What the Rapids need is more media coverage from the local broadcasters. Unfortunately the college football season has begun and they all trip over themselves to have the best coverage of CU. Even the criminal CU football players get more media attention.

As for the quality of play in MLS.........well I guess we just need to take your word about the quality and it being below that of all the other leagues.

 

Ditto. Also, don't they have an unducated Eurosnob board for this kind of post?

 

While the Rapids do have some local talent (I believe it's 3: Fraser, Trembley, and Hart), they don't mention it at all. During the opening introductions, why don't they say something like "Colorado's own..." or "From Arvada (Littleton...), Colorado...." I think that might increase some interest or at least get the crowd cheering a little more.

You're not uneducated but may be a eurosnob, but so is my brother. However, what else do we have here? Blowing the local team off will ensure that we're never up to the caliber of the other leagues. I mean, if you want things to get better, buy tickets, putting more money into the pool and maybe enabling us to generate higher caliber play. Tickets are dirt cheap, the stadium is sweet, and the product is not all that bad! Check out the game Friday and see what you think!

 

So the Rush have players like Mark Chung, Chris Henderson, Scott Garlick, and Carlos Valderrama? Somehow I doubt it. And that's not even counting Pablo Mastroeni and John Spencer, who you excluded in your first post. These players have all played for their National Teams in the past and one (Pablo) is still a regular in the National Team pool. Somehow I think if the Rush had equivalent talent, we would have seen them at the international level by now.

 

Look at me forgeting a great US National Teamer in Robin Fraser.

I'm still baffeled that you'll watch a first division French team but won't even go to see a top level MLS squad that would spank the crap out of any French first division team?

How many local players for your team are from the immediate area in Paris?

And I don't know what media coverage your watching for the WNBA, but I don't see it here. And media coverage is the answer homie! It gets people talking. Just look at the US Men this summer. Media coverage = Leno, Letterman, the awful NY newspaper photos (cringe still), and Sports Illustrated covers, and all those sick people staying up or rising early to watch the team play live!

Then again, maybe your right and we'll just have to take your word for it again!

 

This thread just shows how clueless you (HMHA) are about MLS. You load this team with all locals and it turns to shvte. While the salary cap does mean you carry a few players that are willing to play/bench-sit for less than more qualified players, you have completely under-represented the core of the Rapids starters (class far above any local freaks you could come up with).

But people like this come to games and talk to themselves the entire game convincing themselves that what they're watching is crap. Nothing we say is going to change your mind (probably)...

 

Even on big soccer, you rarely see anything this stupid. Hard to f***ing believe really. "Not just kids from Denver...". Oh well then.... Oh my Gawd. Maybe that world beating French league could trot out a bunch of middle schoolers!

 

Actually, HMHA, your idea has some merit but the problem is roster size. If the Rapids spend time and money developing a non-roster player they can lose them in a draft. Now, if the league allowed youth players to go straight into the senior team, I think you would see a lot more homegrown players.

 

OK half pint, the reason the French league blows and how MLS could spank any team in the league is based simply on the fact that David Regis plays over there. Period! He's afraid to play in the states.

The only reason teams from France are in the Champions League is because they need a rep from one of the larger European countries with a league that has some financial backing.

I really need to stop with this nonsense of a thread.

 

Uum, actually I don't think they'd dominate. As talented as the U-19s may be, going up against good players who are older/more mature physically would pose some problems for sure. And yeah, for someone who isn't interested in the Rapids at all, you sure seem to have a lot of info. on them.

 

So bouys under the age of 18 are expected to do bnetter than players who played in the World Cup, against other players that played in the World Cup. I don't know how to respond to that level of ignorance...

In a word, yes. Players like Mathis, Donovan, Wolff, Beasley, McBride, Twellman, Ruiz, Meola, Kreis, and Quaranta would run circles around Division I soccer players, as they regularly do after those same Division I players are drafted by MLS (Examples, Carrieri until recently, Hart, etc.).

So you're saying that the Rush team is at least as good as any team involving Americans, since essentially all (I'm sure there is a rare exception) American soccer players come out of an American high school and most come out of an American college. I'll be sure to let Blackburn Rovers that they could pick up a keeper that is just as good as Friedel (College: UCLA) but much cheaper in Zac Gibbens or Owen Short of the Rush. I'm sure they'll be happy to save money. If they aren't, I'm sure Tottenham Hotspur would be happy to dump Kasey Keller (College: University of Portland) for one of them. And how about Sunderland? I'm sure they'll be happy to know that they can replace World Cup Best XI player Claudio Reyna (College: University of Virginia) with Evan Morgan.

Shall we talk about who's argument is MORONIC again?

And those four who didn't come out of a U.S. High school or College would be Spencer, Valderrama, Palacios, Shannon, and Ttius. Wait, that's 5!

Because a MLS team made up of high school players from the state of Colorado would be lucky to have a goals against average in single digits?

 

Nearly 100% of the American clubs are populated by Americans. The fact that France is the size of Wisconsin, and therefore Wisconsin should have just as many professional players as France is stupid. Add on top of that the fact that France doesn't have the NFL, NBA, MLB & NHL to compete with, and you get a country with a larger percentage of soccer fans.

 

Well I gotta say you have convinced me. Why would I want to watch players like Chris Henderson, Carlos Valderrama, John Spencer, Scott Garlick, Pablo Mastroeni, Robin Fraser, not to mention past great Raps like Balboa when I could waste my Saturday night watching a local High School all star team try to match up with actual pros?

The fact that you do not recognize the difference between a very good high school age team, and the calibre of soccer played in MLS simply defines the fact that you do not have the first clue.

 

These two comments make me wonder how clueless you are. Talent just from CO, a state with 4.5 million people? Yeah, right, a pool of 4.5 million total people for a sport that, even with recent gains, is #5 professionally (where young kids say I wanna be the next so and so, tons of more kids want to be the next Elway, TD, or Sakic than Carrieri right now). That drops the pool down to numbers smaller than Aurora for heaven's sake. You ain't fielding a competitive first division team in the US that way, especially with these and other constraints.

And the fact that you can't recognize that Meola is still a good keeper, oh my.

 

Earth to PSG kid:

Yeah I know that's why he was brought along. However, if you were up to date on US soccer, you'd know that there were two world class keepers in Friedel and Keller ahead of him. #3 at a position where the US is quite deep ain't too bad.

 

Nothing like changing the rules to fit your statements. What next, we start including Mexican teams, because they play against US teams?

Because there aren't enough of them of MLS quality at the moment? Tell you what, you put together a team of MLS players from Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico, and Utah and we'll see what you come up with. All the rosters are on MLSNet.com with the information you need. I doubt it would be as good as the current Rapids squad, even if you take out their 5 players who did not go through the American education system.

The lack of logic in your statements amazes me...

Hardly, the game, as well as training methods, equipment, etc, has progressed since 1950. That's a strawman argument if I ever saw one.

By your argument the U19 team would beat the 2002 World Cup team.

Pot...Kettle...Black

Well I was trying to pick one National Team level player from each MLS team, the other option from KC was Preki.

And those are the players your vaunted Rush team will have to be able to stop to be competative in MLS. The current Rapids squad has managed to do it, so it's not unreasonable to expect the Rush to do so.

Both Quaranta and Convey (Not Conway BTW) have logged singificant time with the National U-17 team (and Convey with the U-20 team). This puts them about the level of "top high-school player" that the Rush players are at. If we were talking about multiple members of the Rush team who played for the National Youth teams it would be a different argument.

I noticed you nicely ignored my response about Keller, Fridel, and Reyna coming out of the American education systems. Are you then agreeing that not all players who come out of those systems are equal?

 

And to think that Colorado has the best high school soccer program in the nation is a joke. Men's high school soccer in CO isn't that great. If CO had the best program, the club teams (Rush, Fort Collins, Colorado Springs) would win nationals easily. And how many CO boy's teams won Nationals this year? It was either one or zero - I've having problems reaching the USYSA site right now.

The current Rapids would crush the top club teams at the moment. Heck, the Rapids crushed Metro State University, which had one of the top D-II programs in the nation two or three years ago. I know because my club coach played for Metro State. And the Rapids have definitely improved since that time. If the Rapids can crush a very good college team, what makes you think that they'd lose to a very good club team?

Every now and then, a player in CO comes along who is good enough to play in MLS or beyond - see Seth Trembly, Wes Hart, and Conor Casey. Those players have come along in the last five years or so. Seth isn't seeing much time, Wes is playing pretty well, and Conor is over in Germany. So three players over five years have proven that they can play at a professional level. More like two if you discount Seth since he hasn't played much. Two out of the state have proved that they are worthy.

[sarcasm] Yeah, we should just replace the Rapids with the Rush - that would be a brilliant idea. [/sarcasm]

 

Would somebody PUHLEESE SHUT THIS OFF???

 

I ignore trolls. You should try it...