Would Fisher consider a management partnership?

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  1. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
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    This would never happen in most countries. Fisher would sell the team in three seconds anywhere there is promotion/relegation. It's only the bullshit monopoly on first division soccer maintained by MLS and crime boss Don Garber that allow Fisher to prosper while screwing the fans.
     
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  2. falvo

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    #27 falvo, Oct 13, 2024
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    Didn't Fisher already do this with the Oakland A’s -Money Ball and Billy Beane?

    If that is the case, why can't he do the same with the Quakes or has he tried to and can't fund the right guy?
     
  3. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Lee Wolff offered Beane a small share of the ownership after he had proven himself to be a really good GM. I think he sold his ownership share some years ago. So that’s different than bringing in a minority owner to manage the club from the get-go. The equivalent would be if in a make believe world, organization guy Chris Leitch turned out to be a killer MLS GM and Fish liked him so much that he offered him a small share of ownership to keep him around.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    Honestly , I think John Doyle at this point would be better than Chris Leitch.

    How can Leitch still have such an important job in today’s MLS?

    I don’t think he would have been qualified in 2008 much less 2024.

    Shouldn’t he be show the door soon?
     
  5. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    He should probably be shown the door, but please, no John Doyle.
     
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  6. scotto

    scotto Member

    Feb 13, 2001
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    The preferred situation may be what just happened with Manchester United. The Glazers originally wanted to just sell a minority stake in the team and maintain control, but the only buyers interested wanted control of the club operations. They were eventually convinced to go that way (25% stake but full control of operations). The jury is still out whether or not Ratcliffe has what it , but the toxic era of Glazer control had to end one way or another.
     
  7. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

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    A management partnership is what existed when Lew Wolff was the public face of ownership. Fisher was always the majority owner with Wolff as the managing partner. Back in those days fan discussions hardly ever mentioned Fisher because Wolff presented himself as running the show. With Wolff having a long history as a developer in San Jose, that was probably necessary to get the stadium built. Fisher and Kaval on their own likely would have failed.

    So we know that Fisher would consider a management partnership based on the fact that he already did it. But who knows if he has any desire to do that now, and message board posts certainly aren't going to make it happen.
     
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  8. Goodsport

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    Wasn’t it that way with Al Davis and the Raiders for many years, with him being the controlling partner even though he wasn’t the majority owner then? :confused:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    Yes and I believe I read sometime around the AFL-NFL merger; Al Davis cooked the books so he would gain majority control of the franchise.

    He went from head coach (in 1963–1965) to AFL Commissioner (in 1966) to being part owner & general manager of the Oakland Raiders (in 1966–1971).

    Not a bad 6-7 year climb I'd say.

    If the Quakes used the Al Davis model, Ian Russel and Chris Leitch would be our owners.
     
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  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, all they have to do is become co-MLS commissioners, probably via a coup, using the power and pull of the San Jose Earthquakes franchise to overthrow Don Garber, then insert themselves as co-owners of the Quakes and “cook the books” in order to toss out John Fisher and become sole owners. Could very well happen.
     
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  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    MLS is no better than Al Davis.

    I seem to remember AEG and Uncle Phill cooking the Quakes books.
     
  12. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
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    You have proof? or just "squishy facts" opinion presented as "facts"?
     
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  13. xbhaskarx

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  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    #39 falvo, Oct 15, 2024
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    I never made anything up.

    Unless you were living under a rock from 2004-2008, I think every Quakes fan on this board has provable evidence of how AEG fixed the league in their favor and screwed this franchise.

    I'm surprised anyone would even question it.
     
  15. Kaitlyn

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    I've been waiting for the right moment to post this shirt. Wore it the other day, got a lot of comments.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. xbhaskarx

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    "Cooking the books" is a term for using accounting tricks to make a company's financial results look better than they really are. Typically, cooking the books involves manipulating financial data to inflate a company's revenue and deflate its expenses in order to pump up its earnings or profit.
     
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  17. falvo

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    #42 falvo, Oct 15, 2024
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    Either way, I don’t see a huge difference because they still lied, cheated and stole.

    AEG committed crooked sports fraud and fixed the league, favoring their franchise while imploding ours and that is a fact.

    I don’t know anyone in their right mind who would condone what they did to the Quakes.

    Anywhere else on earth, the players involved will have don’t jail time but here they were revered.

    If what they did to us is legal, then I don't know what crooked is.
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    I didn't use the words YOU USED THE WORDS!!

     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    #44 falvo, Oct 15, 2024
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    In a roundabout way, they did in fact do that to us and worse.

    Where is the compensation for LAndy?

    Or for that matter, robbing us of our championship winning team and two MLS Cups?

    That’s worse than cooking accounting books because , they gained all these things free of charge.

    They didn’t fix matches , they fixed the league which is worse and that is sports fraud.

    I’m surprised how anyone can forget these things.

    Again if what they did to us is legal, then I don't know what crooked is.
     
  20. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

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    They didn't rob us of 2 MLS Cups. No one could predict Houston would win back to backs.

    Landon was on loan, we were owed no compensation, and a trade attempted to happen for Carlos Ruiz. We ended up getting Danny Califf and Chris Aloisi cheap as shit for Dunivant.

    They didnt' fix the league, theres no evidence of it.
     
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  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    #46 falvo, Oct 15, 2024
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    I have evidence.and names.

    You can text me and I’ll give you the names of the people involved. .

    Each one of those moves was premediated , crooked and orchestrated.

    If he was on loan, then why did Alexi LALAs the Galaxy’s future GM trade away his rights to a rival team?

    Why would a GM in any sport on earth do this with their star player?

    Why was he seen coming out of the LA Galaxy's front office only 3-4 weeks after leaving the Quakes saying …..”I've never felt more sure of anything as I did in this last meeting”!

    That move right there was a direct conflict of interest , fixed and everyone know this.

    They depleted of us of our team in 2005 leaving us with only 6-7 players trying to justify their move to Houston and they thought we would end up losing.

    Instead, Dom recognized other outcast players, created a winning team and then they moved the team right after they won the Supporters Shield.

    If Landy was playing for us in 2005, we most likely will have won a third MLS Cup but we couldn't because he scored against us for the LA Gals and eliminated us.

    They committed sports fraud and anywhere else in the world they will have gone to jail, faced relegation , fines and suspensions but here, they were honored.

    I’ve never seen anything like it in any sport.
     
  22. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

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    Because even though the loan ended we retained his player rights. No different then Red Bull retaining Jozy Altidores rights then trading them to TFC when he returned to MLS.

    Houston retained Danny Califf, Ramiro Corrales and Ian Russell's rights thats why we had to trade for Ramiro in 2008, Philly for Califf in 2010 and the Galaxy in 2007 for Ian Russell.

    2005 Playoffs we were victims playing the Galaxy for a month straight, 4 games in a row. Pat Onstad, Danny Califf, Kelly Gray and Eddie Robinson decided to have their worst game of the season and Donovan and Gomez took advantage of it.
     
  23. Defender

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    This thread took a turn.
     
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  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    You are right!

    Fisher needs to sell or at least find another investor but sadly , he won’t.
     

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