Worthington Cup Final discussion: Liverpool vs. Manchester United [R]

JoBeck · Mar 1, 2003

I've got a feeling that this game might generate a little interest among fans Feel free to discuss the match here.

Man United look like they'll have a few injuries (No Forlan, possibly no Giggs and perhaps not even Scholes either) but they've got to be considered the favorites. All the pre-game talk seems to involve somebody talking about how Man United are the more confident side and how Houllier really needs to win this one to save his job. But then again, Liverpool are a good Cup final side.

Kick-off is Sunday at 2 p.m. GMT

kopiteinkc · Mar 2, 2003

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Prenn · Mar 2, 2003

Liverpool 2-0 Man Utd

Well done the scousers

owian · Mar 2, 2003

walk on walk on with hope in your heart because you'll never walk alone!!!

Nice its the worthless cup I know but beating man u anytime is sweeter and a cup final just makes it sweeter

comme · Mar 2, 2003

I feel sorry for United, they came to play but Liverpool just wanted to defend. They got a lucky goal and then just sat back. Football was the loser today.

usscouse · Mar 2, 2003

Originally posted by comme
I feel sorry for United, they came to play but Liverpool just wanted to defend. They got a lucky goal and then just sat back. Football was the loser today.
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How would anyone who follows spurs know what football is. Thanks for the sour comments.

comme · Mar 2, 2003

The fact is that your negative tactics made the first half appalling to watch (rather like your performances for most of this season). If Liverpool had lost today at least Houllier might have altered his tactics slightly. Nobody wants to watch Liverpool anymore because they never attack. At least under roy evans you were exciting.

655321 · Mar 2, 2003

Originally posted by comme
The fact is that your negative tactics made the first half appalling to watch (rather like your performances for most of this season). If Liverpool had lost today at least Houllier might have altered his tactics slightly. Nobody wants to watch Liverpool anymore because they never attack. At least under roy evans you were exciting.
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Everyone's figured out you're a Liverpool hater that wouldn't say anything nice about them if you had to. Keep your biased comments to yourself and quit trolling. "Football was the loser today"...how dramatic. Enjoy another trophy-less season.

Mike Toole · Mar 2, 2003

Originally posted by owian
Nice its the worthless cup I know but beating man u anytime is sweeter and a cup final just makes it sweeter
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I wish people would stop undermining the Worthington Cup. True, it's a "secondary" cup to the FA Cup or the premiership championship, but the fact is it's still a tough tournament for a prize that isn't exactly easy to win.

I find that teams and supporters only refer to it as the Worthless Cup when they've been knocked out of the tournament. See, once there was this fox, and he spied a bunch of juicy grapes sitting on a vine high above him...

I thought the scousers did very well today, and thoroughly deserve their trophy. Plus, it's always nice to see ManU stumble ineptly to a loss. (When David Seaman retires, maybe we can steal Jerzy Dudek? Heh.)

JoBeck · Mar 2, 2003

Originally posted by comme
I feel sorry for United, they came to play but Liverpool just wanted to defend. They got a lucky goal and then just sat back. Football was the loser today.
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No, Manchester United were the losers. Don't knock a team for playing defense first. They played to win the Cup, not to please bitter neutrals.

Matt Clark · Mar 3, 2003

Spurs fans, eh?

Ah well, at least Glenda and his boys are showing the rest of us how to get it done ...

comme · Mar 3, 2003

We're level on points with you (you've got a game in hand) and we have scored more goals, so you're not exactly shining this season. As i've said before if you consider success to be outdoing Spurs then I you're doing something wrong. For the investment you've made you should be doing much better.
If I seem bitter its just because united bossed the game and were very unlucky to lose. That's football, that's life. But in Britain most Liverpool fans on the phone ins are sick and tired of being the most negative and boring team in the premiership.

Matt Clark · Mar 3, 2003

We're level on points with you (you've got a game in hand) and we have scored more goals, so you're not exactly shining this season. As i've said before if you consider success to be outdoing Spurs then I you're doing something wrong. For the investment you've made you should be doing much better.
If I seem bitter its just because united bossed the game and were very unlucky to lose. That's football, that's life. But in Britain most Liverpool fans on the phone ins are sick and tired of being the most negative and boring team in the premiership.
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We're having our worst run in the league since 1954 and you are level on points with us.

Nicely put ...

"Phone-in fans" - oxymoron.

If by "bossed the game" you mean "play in frankly quite weird compliance with our gameplan and then moan about it", you would be more than right, yes.

JoBeck · Mar 3, 2003

Look, Liverpool scored two goals and conceded none, what more could they ask from Sunday?

I doubt Liverpool fans care much if their team is the most "negative," they just won some hardware.

comme · Mar 4, 2003

The worthington cup? Every liverpool fan must have fantacised about a sixth placed finish and the owrthington cup.

Matt Clark · Mar 4, 2003

The League Cup is a Liverpool institution. Always has been since Paisley won it four times on the trot. We've always taken it more seriously than other clubs, even when we were reigning English and European Champions.

Or to put it another way ... if Liverpool fans can appreciate it, then the fact that Spurs fans don't is just all the more proof of how ridiculous a club THFC is.

comme · Mar 4, 2003

Haha, if you appreciate it then good for you. The happiest day of my footballing life was winning the worthington cup in 99. I just don't think it was what the fans had in mind for this season.

655321 · Mar 4, 2003

Originally posted by comme
The worthington cup? Every liverpool fan must have fantacised about a sixth placed finish and the owrthington cup.
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It speaks volumes that something like that is a dissapointment for Liverpool. If Spurs finished 8th and even LOST the League Cup final, it would something of a success, wouldn't it??

comme · Mar 4, 2003

No it wouldn't.
It speaks volumes that your second place finish last season was a triumph, whereas at united or arsenal that would be a complete failure.

Clan · Mar 4, 2003

Originally posted by Mike Toole
I wish people would stop undermining the Worthington Cup. True, it's a "secondary" cup to the FA Cup or the premiership championship, but the fact is it's still a tough tournament for a prize that isn't exactly easy to win.

I find that teams and supporters only refer to it as the Worthless Cup when they've been knocked out of the tournament. See, once there was this fox, and he spied a bunch of juicy grapes sitting on a vine high above him...

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Very well put.
I wonder just what the average age of people who say it is the "Worthless" cup is?
Probably the same bunch that would favour finishing in the top four but not wining the FA Cup.

Matt Clark · Mar 5, 2003

Originally posted by comme
No it wouldn't.
It speaks volumes that your second place finish last season was a triumph, whereas at united or arsenal that would be a complete failure.
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Aaah, the absolutist Spurs fan ... one of football's little joys for the rest of us.

Second place in the context of last season was a success. A transitory one. Now, as things turned out, we've had a sticky patch, but that does nothing to elevate that second place above what it actually was. We were second best in the league. And that's not good enough. You see, as much as Spurs fans would like to believe it is not so, they are the only fans in the world for whom mediocrity is acceptable as long as their infantile delusions about the size and nature of their club are occasionally indulged by the rational world around them.

This season has been a failure for us on the main front. But that does not mean it ties in to the League Cup triumph, won against the Mancs. You expose your lack of understanding in these matters by pretending to know otherwise.

comme · Mar 5, 2003

Originally posted by Matt Clark
You expose your lack of understanding in these matters by pretending to know otherwise.
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Please enlighten me O Wise One.

Matt Clark · Mar 5, 2003

What - above and beyond the above? Sheesh!! Don't want much, do you?

Put simply, the result on Sunday is totally separate from our season. So, whilst it is true that Liverpool fans had loftier ambitions for the league this season than we look like achieving, there is not a single Reds fan in the Universe who would not take a Cup Final win against the Mancs, as is, at the drop of a hat. And our league form is irrelevant in that context.

Motterman · Mar 5, 2003

Originally posted by Matt Clark
What - above and beyond the above? Sheesh!! Don't want much, do you?

Put simply, the result on Sunday is totally separate from our season. So, whilst it is true that Liverpool fans had loftier ambitions for the league this season than we look like achieving, there is not a single Reds fan in the Universe who would not take a Cup Final win against the Mancs, as is, at the drop of a hat. And our league form is irrelevant in that context.
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So, at the beginning of the season, if your supporters had to choose which they'd rather have:

A. Beat United in the League Cup
B. Finish above United in the League

Which would they all say?

B

Matt Clark · Mar 5, 2003

Sigh ....

Nope. Not unless Option B was amended to

"Come above United, who finish in second place."

Look, do we really have to expand the Liverpool/United 101 session to yet another clueless outsider? It's really an issue for the fans of either club alone, you know what I mean?