Worst U.S. MNT Roster Since Dawn of MLS?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by csh2000, May 22, 2003.

  1. csh2000

    csh2000 New Member

    Nov 2, 2000
    Chicago
    This roster for the San Jose match is a dog. It's debatable whether Bruce is going a bit too far in not taking guys from their MLS teams, but the people who bought tickets expecting to see a representative side can't be pleased with these rosters.

    So, my question is: "What has been the worst U.S. Men's National Team roster since the beginning of MLS?"

    At first glance, this comes in a distant second behind a 4-1 loss to Peru in Lima on October 16, 1996.

    Mark Dodd
    Tim Martin
    Lawrence Lozzano
    Tayt Ianni
    Zak Ibsen
    Eddie Lewis
    Jorge Flores (Joey Leonetti)
    Dario Brose
    Scott Benedetti (Ramiro Corrales)
    Jean Harbor (Mac Cozier)
    Ted Eck (Paul Holocher)

    The goalkeeping for that match was far more experienced internationally than the two guys in camp for the San Jose match. It was Dodd's 11th start/12th appearance and he had seven shutouts coming into the match. Rimando and Cannon have combined for zero starts, two appearances and 90 minutes at the full National Team level.

    Of the fifteen guys that played, only Dodd, Corrales, Lewis and Brose appeared for the MNT again after this match. This is the only career cap for Benedetti, Cozier, Flores, Holocher & Ianni.

    I suspect we'll see additional appearances by more than four guys that play Monday, but I expect we could see a few of these guys play for the U.S. for the first and/or last and/or only time.
     
  2. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    they must have been crap if peru actually scored 4 goals back then
     
  3. Davids26

    Davids26 Member

    May 31, 2000
    That game was during a national team strike. The US not wanting to cancel the friendly sent other players, and the result shows how much they missed the real players.
     
  4. scoonie45

    scoonie45 New Member

    Jun 21, 2002
    Georgetown
    Arena's already said he took an overwhelming number of players from San Jose and DC because they don't play over Memorial Day weekend. I think thats basically the sole reason for this roster, hideous though it is.
     
  5. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    I wouldn't call the roster hideous. It's not first 11, but it could be mix of first, second, and alternate players. Frankly, I'm glad to see Petke get another call up. Landon's there, and Goose has been playing well in the league lately. Good to see Lewis again --and Berhalter.

    I'm looking foreward to the match.
     
  6. garbaggio

    garbaggio Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    Arlington
    I just can't believe Brian Namoff got snubbed :(

    ;)
     
  7. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    First caps (if they play): Cannon, Ching, Eskadarian, Suarez

    Last caps (probably): Agoos, Ching

    Last caps (possibly): Brown, Cannon, Corrales, Kirovski, Petke, Vanney
     
  8. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kirovski and Vanney at least will play again - and I'd expect Cannon might get some camps - at the very least for matches in Europe.

    Why bring a keeper over who won't play if you've got somebody a short train ride away? And Jovan still has his usefulness, IMO.
     
  9. BelhavenKeeper

    BelhavenKeeper New Member

    Nov 15, 2002
    Vienna, Austria
    I absolutely agree that this roster is hidious. The only positive that I could see coming from this is that maybe Bobby Convey will get to play as a central mid instead of a damn left back.
     
  10. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any other predictions for the future Bruce? Since you are coaching the team, you must know everything...
     
  11. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    Actually I like this roster because it will be interesting to see how some of these guys perform. Sure it's not our "A" team (maybe not even our "C" team) but it will be an interesting experiment and a good chance to give some of the fringe National teamers a chance to play since Wales won't be playing its full strength squad either.

    At least Bruce didn't have 17 out of 39 players withdraw like Wales did. (http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,4060-1091358,00.html)
     
  12. TOTC

    TOTC Member

    Feb 20, 2001
    Laurel, MD, USA
    Tayt Ianni?
     
  13. todda74

    todda74 New Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Annapolis
    yes I agree this roster is pretty low level but I am hoping that Convey and Donovan will be able to combine with each other and create some quality chances.
    I might cringe when the starting 11 is shown but i'm still going to watch.
     
  14. tedwar

    tedwar Member

    Jun 24, 1999
    Richmond, CA-EastBay
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mark Dodd? Ted Eck (didn't he get a lot of indoor call-ups?)?

    Wasn't that the match where the regulars were on strike?

    Still, is there any question this squad has greater talent than that squad did?


    Tony
     
  15. jlmatthews

    jlmatthews New Member

    May 18, 2003
    Toledo
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Might be a bit off topic...but why does everyone hate Kirovski? Is it because he plays a simple direct game and isn't 'flashy' enough for some of you? I hope he has more than a few caps left...
     
  16. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    where's rico clark? while bruce is fiddling & diddling, is there a more deserving young player?
     
  17. Rob Base

    Rob Base Member

    Apr 30, 2003
    'Burque, NM
    I've been wondering the same thing. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other regarding Jovan, but many posters do. Is there some specific event(s) in the past (for example Agoos' 2002 adventures in Korea) or does the dislike come from years of what is perceived as underacheivement?
     
  18. BelhavenKeeper

    BelhavenKeeper New Member

    Nov 15, 2002
    Vienna, Austria
    So many caps...so little goals. In fact, very few shots on goal even.
     
  19. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I imagine it's because he's a pretty good attacking midfielder who for some unknown reason has always suited up for the national team at forward and not produced at that position.
     
  20. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    Do the Metros have a game that week? I thought Bruce pulled mainly from DC, San Jose, and players on red-card suspension because they had a week off.

    In sure Clark will get a look from Bruce sometime soon.
     
  21. Liverpool_SC

    Liverpool_SC Member

    Jun 28, 2002
    Upstate, SC
    Rather its the fact that Bruce prefers athletic, well-rounded players (skills-wise - no Meola or Mathis V.2002 jokes) who track back well, show good work-rates and play physically.

    Jovan is more of a flair player who works better off the ball, plays mediocre defense and requires to much cover to play in midfield . . . plus he is not physical enough, quick enough (I don't mean overall speed, I mean first step) or capable of creating his own shot.

    In other systems, Kirovski would be more valuable. But he simply doesn't fit into Bruce's style. The only player that we have who marginally compares to Kirovski is Mathis and for most of his nat team career he has been quicker, shown more determination and a greater willingness to take people on than Kirovski - plus he does everything that Kirovski does at least as well.

    Who would you sit in our standard set-up to see Kirovski get more time? McBride. No way. He hustles like crazy, scores goals and sets up others.

    Donovan? Funny. Mathis? Not if he continues his mini-renaissance. Wolff? Possibly, but he is so quick when healthy and links up well with his USMNT teammates. Even the combo midfielder/forwards like Earnie Stewart or Cobi Jones played very valuable roles in the World Cup and bring more to the table than Kirovski, though they are getting long in the tooth.

    After that we are talking about youngsters like Taylor Twellman and Edson Buddle. There is simply no compelling reason to select Kirovski (who is 26 and has shown relatively little development the last few years) above these guys, because they are the future of the USMNT.

    I don't mind seeing Kirovski play in B-team matches like this one - in which he can labor to demonstrate his ability to mesh better with the team and earn future camp invites. And if one of the senior guys above is injured, he does have his use as an offensive sub late in the game. But he doesn't belong in the A team in my book. Just like Ante Razov.
     
  22. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Call me crazy, but this might be a rather entertaining match. I mean, a lot of these guys have a lot to prove, since you've got to believe that they absolutely know that there's no way they would have gotten a call-up if all the regulars were available. So they're going to be giving it their all and it'll be interesting to see how these pretty low-level MLSers do against an equally low-level?? Wales side? I mean, I don't know too much about the Wales team, but are the players pretty much at a comparable level with their home clubs?

    Also, maybe Bruce is testing out his young guns - Donovan, Convey - in a sense of "how well can you lead this team, given the other players that you've got to work with?" I'm actually looking forward to how things play out. Hope I'm not disappointed.
     
  23. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Scabs!
     
  24. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'd take Corrales off that list as Arena has stated a couple of times this season that he's been watching Corrales and he'll be getting called in to more camps. He's a guy who has previously played to the Nats and played in the last Olympics, but is really just coming into his own right now.
     
  25. roarksown1

    roarksown1 Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Playa del Rey, CA
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ching? Eskandarian? Agoos? Bruce has been smoking...
     

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