Ratings from goal.com? Minimum whoscored rating of 8.5 is required for SW Your words He was rated 8.82 after 5 matches Clear as day But now goal.com says different Double standards have now been thoroughly exposed Edit This is actually so ridiculous I Just read your link and Im quoting verbatim "Unplayable in the first half at times, the influence of ‘CR9’ waned after the break. Showcased some outrageous touches and was not aided by his team-mates, who ironically chose to shoot with the Portuguese better placed on at least two occasions. https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/c...ngs-real-madrid-11-olympique-lyonnais-agg-1-2 Do you read your sources or just see 7 and think this reinforces your preconceived biases This 7/10 rating for the 2nd leg vs lyon is his worst CL performance that season And at his worst he is still unplayable R9 in the 96/97 cup winners cup with blanks against red star Belgrade,Fiorentina and 0 open play goals vs PSG But he scores 5 goals against some random teams from Transylvania and he is SW CR destroyed ligue 1 champions Marseille in 09/10 Like totally 3 non pen goals+3 assists in 2 matches vs them A great goal vs Lyon+great performance 2 freekicks in 1 match vs Zurich Carried Madrid till the R16 but his team did not help him Higuain consistently a great league scorer forgot to bring his shooting boots to the champions league He had 27 league goals in 09/10 But only 2 in 7 CL games in 09/10 Don't take my word Take your source goal.com '....was not aided by his team-mates, who ironically chose to shoot with the Portuguese better placed on at least two occasions.
Modern era is weaker for number of qualified stars but not for average of all players that have been improved. I certainly can make my own list as evidence because the list of world positional ranking of the era is also applied ratings from media and based on standard of minimum requirement of number of qualified seasons, number of qualified players in modern era is less than most of others significantly although already consider the margin of inaccuracy in some of the lists.
Cristiano Ronaldo – 8.5: Back to his energetic best after returning from injury. Scored from a trademark free kick, saw a header cannon back off the post, had an excellent and unselfish collaboration with the rest of his team-mates, could have had a couple of assists, but eventually bagged two goals on the night. https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/c...5026/player-ratings-marseille-1-3-real-madrid Cristiano Ronaldo – 8: Confident and brash as always, he was involved in an individual battle with goalkeeper Mandanda in the first half, but in the second his two finishes were clinical, and also won the spot kick which Kaka converted. Another sublime showing. https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/c...2893/player-ratings-real-madrid-3-0-marseille Gonzalo Higuain - 5.5: The Argentine should have had a double after missing two clear chances in front of goal. https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/c...5026/player-ratings-marseille-1-3-real-madrid Higuain – 6.5: Lacked the pace to latch on to a number of through balls from midfield. Other than a shot that was smothered by Mandanda in the first half from a corner, he didn’t have too many chances. https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/c...2893/player-ratings-real-madrid-3-0-marseille CR played 6 games (5 starts) Had 7 non penalty goals+3 assists out of 13 team goals=carried Madrid https://www.transfermarkt.com/crist...daten/spieler/8198/saison/2009/wettbewerb/ES1 I would continue but it's futile The inconsistencies is what's unfortunate How R9 96/97 could conceivably be SW in the cup winners cup Could conceivably be a better international club performer as RVN,andriy shevchenco,etoo How CR only qualifies as SW for half of 07/08 When? How? He was elite from beginning till end This is known How maradona is now rated a phenomenon half of 82/83 When he had the 5th highest rating in la liga 1982/83 (Will provide the source when i can find it)
The 78 season for example. He had an amazing season for being in a such weak team like Argentinos. That season has to be a "Supreme world class" at least, if not a "Phenomenon class". And the 88 season can be a "Phenomenal class" too.
Agreed. Maradona in 1978 is rated by El Grafico at 7.16 should be enough for supreme-world class. For 1988, He made outstanding goals + assists but based on rating in dbscalcio is just slightly more than 6.5, should not be phenomenal. Further evidence needs to upgrade his class in 1988.
This is something I agree with Also: this 'much greater mentality' has resulted in just three European Cup winners: Suarez, Santamaria and Caceres, of which only the first two were starters. For the old UEFA Cup we have only one winning starter: Ruben Sosa in 1994, with others like Recoba in 1998 and Chevanton in 1997 as bench players. In terms of national team performances: look at the Elo rating...
Yeah let's rely on flawed and censored dictatorship sources, good plan In truth, Maradona had hardly any goal or assist against an elite team until 1982, at international level for club and country in a free role (club friendlies included). He got it really going around the mid-1980s.
Ok. And I see that you gave him half of the 79 season in the phenomenal class category, I agree with that. But I can't see the other half of 79 in any class category. Where is it? The dictatorship censored a lot of things, but the dictatorship was not going to waste time on the score given to an 18-year-old player in a football magazine...
Dearman, I also think that you have to research more in Pelé's 1958 domestic season. "Supreme world class" is maybe too much for that very weak Campeonato Paulista with very weak teams, "ordinary world class" maybe suits best for him in that domestic season. His "supreme world class" at the 1958 World Cup is rightly deserved, but that's another story. Also, his 1969 "supreme world class" domestic season seems too much, giving him "ordinary world class" is more accurate in that season.
Which half of 2007/08 Was he supreme world class performer ? Which half was he ordinary world class? 2 ESM team of the month selections from August to December 2007 5 ESM team of the month selections from January to may 2008 https://www.erubik.xyz/esm/player.php?id=Cristiano_Ronaldo Inconsistencies Thierry Henry 2003/04(ranked Supreme world class for entire season) 1 ESM team of the month ranking from August to December 2003 4 ESM team of the month ranking from January to may https://www.erubik.xyz/esm/player.php?id=Thierry_Henry Henry is supreme world class for all of 2003/04 domestic CR is supreme world class for half of 2007/08 domestic A joke or badly researched R9 cup winners cup 1996/97 Phenomenon Messi 2009/10 CL is OW 4 goals in a single match against a periodic top 4 side arsenal The English premier league was still the Elo top ranked league in the world Phenomenon Maradona from 1978 to 1985 never had even 1 performance like this. Not even one CR 2009/10 CL groupstage is OW Open play goals and assists against league champions of France 4 MOTM awards in 5 starts 8.82 WS rating for the Groupstage Rinse and repeat Inconsistencies part 3 Van basten with 10 goals+2 assists in EC 88/89 is a phenomenon Kaka with 10 goals+5 assists in CL 06/07 is only SW http://xtrahistory.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-greatest-individual-performer-in.html?m=1 Milan scored 18 goals in the 2006/07 CL Milan scored 21 goals in the 1988/89 EC Milan 88/89 conceded only 5 goals in the EC Milan 06/07 conceded 10 goals in the CL Kaka was statistically and proportionally involved in more goals than van basten Playing for a team that conceded twice as many goals Kaka played from a deeper position Was their main goal outlet and creative outlet simultaneously Was a MUCH better ball carrier Most likely dribbled more as van basten Provided more open play assists Scored more spectacular solo goals Era I started watching football in >current era Van basten 88/89 EC>Kaka 06/07 EC Pre 2006 world cup players are inflated Post 2006 world cup players are systematically underrated Pipiolo will say this is a remarkable list as long as you continue to inflate Maradona Pipiolo/serpico would make a deal with the devil as long as he has a good word to say about Maradona
Can you explain who is Pipiolo? I don't understand the joke, sorry mate. By the way, if you want to know, for me the first place to Messi is well deserved. He has maintained his high level more than Maradona and more than any other player. I was analyzing 2 seasons of Pelé in the weak Campeonato Paulista of 1958. Or now you think that the Campeonato Paulista of 1958 had a higher level than the 1980's Serie A? Because you have a strange way to rate the players. Do you want to raise Cristiano Ronaldo from 5th place to 2nd place also? I'm sure that you want it.
I found I was confused with Argentina Primera division format of competition. In 1980, the number of league games are 50 games and I thought 1979 should be the same but it is actually only 32 games. So I misunderstood Maradona participated in 1979 just a half of season. Now I will increase actual amount if his performance. Pele in 1958 is by far the highest scoring production in history of Campeonato Paulista although He seems to in initial phase to develop his vision and passing skill at that year.
Ok, maybe I was confused because I read that Tom Stevens and Once rated him like 4th-5th player of the year in 1958 and 1969 and I think that it was because of the not so high level of the league in that years (specially in 1958, not in 1969). My fault.
Actually they did. They did remove editors from football magazines, sent out guidelines, and football was an excellent means to keep the masses happy. Panem et Circenses... Serpen... uhmmm Serpico.
@Dearman You increased his 2009/10 la liga performance from ordinary world class to supreme world class on the basis that the 2nd half was rated 8.5 That is false In the 2nd half of 2009/10 la liga he was rated 8.9 during his last 18 matches That is phenomenonal by any stretch of definition These are performances in the business end of the season=more weight should be attached CR played 29 league matches in la liga 2009/10 Match ratings are below Please read attentively Will split the match ratings into 2 sections first semester (0.5) August 2009-january 2010 Played :12 league matches Missed 8 through injury/suspension Second semester(0.5) February 2010-may 2010 (Play 17 league matches and missed 1) First semester Match day 1 Date:29th August 2009 Real Madrid 3-2 malaga https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/955779 Man of the match:Cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:8.80 Match day 2 Date:September 12th 2009 Espanyol 0-3 real Madrid Whoscored rating:7.58 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/334978/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Espanyol-Real-Madrid Match day 3 19th September 2009 Real Madrid 5-0 xerez Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.26 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/334991/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Xerez Match day 4 23rd September 2009 Villarreal 0-2 real Madrid Man of the match:Cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:8.84 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Villarreal-Real-Madrid Match day 5 26th September Real Madrid 3-0Tenerife Whoscored rating:7.71 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335030/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Tenerife Match day 6 4th October 2009 Seville 2-1 real Madrid Not in squad(injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335045/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Sevilla-Real-Madrid Match day 7 17 October 2009 Real Madrid 4-2 real Valladolid Not in squad(injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Real-Valladolid Match day 8 24 October 2009 Sporting gijon 0-0 real Madrid Not in squad(injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...n-LaLiga-2009-2010-Sporting-Gijon-Real-Madrid Match day 9 Real Madrid 2-0 getafe 31st October Not in squad (injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335095/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Getafe Match day 10 Atletico Madrid 2-3 real Madrid 7th November 2009 Not in squad (injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Atletico-Madrid-Real-Madrid Match day 11 21st November Real Madrid 1-0 racing santander Not in squad (injured) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Racing-Santander Match day 12 (1st match back from injury) 29th November Barcelona 1-0 real Madrid Whoscored rating:6.81 Match day 13 5th December 2009 Real Madrid 4-2 almeria Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Red card suspension Whoscored rating:9.18 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335158/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Almeria Match day 14 Valencia 2-3 real Madrid Not in squad(red card suspension) https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335169/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Valencia-Real-Madrid Match day 15 Real Madrid 6-0 real zaragoza Whoscored rating:9.32 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...in-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Real-Zaragoza Match day 16 3rd january 2010 Osasuna 0-0 real Madrid Whoscored rating:6.74 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335210/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Osasuna-Real-Madrid Match day 17 10th January Real Madrid 2-0 mallorca Whoscored rating:7.08 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335226/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Mallorca Match day 18 Athletic bilbao 1-0 real Madrid Whoscored rating:6.64 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Athletic-Bilbao-Real-Madrid Match day 19 Real Madrid 2-0 Malaga Whoscored rating:7.70 Red card https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335263/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Malaga Match day 20 30th January Real Madrid 3-1 deportivo Player Suspended https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335267/Live/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Deportivo-La-Coruna-Real-Madrid 1st semester average whoscored rating: 8.0 =ordinary world class I agree but this requires further elaboration CR was acclimatising to a new league whilst being brutalized by Spanish defenders He was the most fouled player in the world during 2009/10 C.Ronaldo was fouled 3.43 times per 90 in his debut season(94 times in 28 starts) https://nesn.com/2011/12/lionel-messi-vs-cristiano-ronaldo-who-do-rival-defenders-foul-more/ Rather then take it in his stride he did often lash out at defenders and also referees for not doing what he believed was their job (protecting him) In the first semester c.Ronaldo ranged from the utterly brilliant to petulant Interval Now This is where CR goes GOAT mode This is the context: "Madrid won 18 of their last 19 games going into the final day. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/may/25/the-sids-2010-la-liga-awards Second semester Match day 21 Real Madrid 3-0 espanyol Not in squad https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335289/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Espanyol Match day 22 Real Madrid 3-0 xerez Man of the match:Cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating :10 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335306/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Xerez-Real-Madrid Match day 23 Real Madrid 6-2 Villarreal Man of the match:Cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:10 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335326/Live/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Villarreal Match day 24 Real Madrid 5-1 Tenerife Whoscored rating:8.23 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335355/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Tenerife-Real-Madrid Match day 25 Real Madrid 3-2 seville Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.35 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335381/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Sevilla Match day 26 Real Valladolid 1-4 Real Madrid Whoscored rating:9.46 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Valladolid-Real-Madrid Match day 27 Real Madrid 3-1 sporting gijon Whoscored rating:7.85 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...n-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Sporting-Gijon Match day 28 Getafe 2-4 Real Madrid Man of the match:Cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.64 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335437/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Getafe-Real-Madrid Match day 29 Real Madrid 3-2 Atletico Madrid Whoscored rating:7.52 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Atletico-Madrid Match day 30 Racing santander 0-2 REAL Madrid Man of the match:Cristiano ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.0 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...LaLiga-2009-2010-Racing-Santander-Real-Madrid Match day 31 Real Madrid 0-2 Barcelona Whoscored rating:7.36 Highest rated real Madrid player CR also completed 6 dribbles compared to Messi's 1 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335486/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Barcelona He also completed considerably more dribbles than SW Maradona did in the 88/89 UEFA cup against either one of Juventus or bayern Munich https://statsbomb.com/2020/04/decoding-diego-maradona-by-the-numbers/ Back on track Match day 32 Almeria 1-2 Real Madrid Whoscored rating:9.36 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335501/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Almeria-Real-Madrid Match day 33 Real zaragoza 1-2 real Madrid Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.12 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...in-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Zaragoza-Real-Madrid Match day 34 Real Madrid 3-2 osasuna Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:10 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335546/Live/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Osasuna Match day 35 Mallorca 1-4 Real Madrid Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:10 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335561/Live/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Mallorca-Real-Madrid Match day 36 Real Madrid 5-1 bilbao Man of the match:cristiano Ronaldo Whoscored rating:9.1 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335574/Live/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Athletic-Bilbao Match day 37 Real Madrid 1-1 Malaga Whoscored rating:6.74 https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/335585/LiveStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2009-2010-Malaga-Real-Madrid Average whoscored rating for 2nd semester(played 17 out of a possible 18 matches): 8.9 That is phenomenonal This is the 2nd half of a top tier domestic league season The business half where teams are performing out of their skins to stay above the relegation zone,fighting for European spots or challenging for the league His match ratings under those circumstances shouldn't be possible You should rate him a phenomenon for half la liga 2009/10 I repeat 8.9 la liga average Whoscored rating That is directly in line with Messis highest peak seasons Messi had a average whoscored rating of 8.88 in la liga 2011/12 Granted Messi 11/12 played more league games Twice as more And he did it multiple times across at least 3-4 entire seasons However That shouldn't detract from Cristiano who was in the 2nd half of la liga 2009/10 performing at the level of a top 3 all timer C.Ronaldo should be given a 0.5 phenomenon class rating for la liga 2009/10 The first half should remain 0W Reasons are already given Edit: You don't have to look for goal.com The overview is here "Cristiano ronaldo single-handedly carried Madrid's title charge all the way to the final day of the season with a string of inspirational performances and crucial goals" https://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/e...om-special-la-liga-team-of-the-season-2009-10
Cristiano Ronaldo scored only 17 goals in second half 2009 - 2010 season, a top scorer of Real Madrid in the period but just score more 1 goal than Huguain. How many assists he made in second half ? In the entire season, he made on seven. When he was not a specialist of creativity and passer, how would he be deserved phenomenal ? How to interpret Whoscored rating ? Finally Whoscored is one of references and should not be the entire evidence to refer. I said 8.5 is minimum requirement for supreme-world-class if it has been verified its reliability.
He made 9 wide assists in his last 17 league matches https://www.transfermarkt.com/crist...daten/spieler/8198/saison/2009/wettbewerb/ES1 That is more assists than your beloved Maradona had in the ENTIRE 1984/85 serie A Just research dude Something you haven't done probably for 95% of post 2006 WC players Ronaldo scored just 1 more than Higuain Is that constructive criticism or an irrelevant outburst? Firstly CR 09/10 was not even a CF He in fact averaged the most key passes in la liga 09/10 after prime Xavi Hernandez Covered the most distance by any player in la liga "In Ronaldo’s first season in La Liga, he covered 385 yards with the ball at his feet per 90 minutes When he came to Spain, nobody ran with the ball more than Ronaldo" https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-evolution-of-cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-manchester-united/ Was its most fouled player(3.43 per 90) Was one of the top dribblers in the league Was the best FK taker in the league maybe even Europe at that time And.......scored 26 league goals in 29 appearances 17 goals+9 wide assists in his last 17 league matches 2.)gonzalo Higuain scored more league goals in single Serie A season Than Giuseppe meazza Luigi riva Gunner Nordhal Marco van basten Ronaldo nazario Andriy shevchenco Gabriel batistuta Zlatan ibrahimovic All without exception were in Serie A during their prime Does that register in your brain Its utterly pointless discussing with you Multiple times on just these 2 pages alone youve proven yourself to be a dishonest analyst Flipping flopping from whoscored to goal.com To now irrelevant rants and questions that have already been answered multiple times Have a good day sir
Well, I refer to scoring record of CR7 just more than Higuain 1 goal indicates something he did not make significant contribution compared to other seasons he made a lot more scores.I don't mean CR7 is just slightly better than Higuain but he could be expected score more goals than Higuain although he was not pure striker. As wing-forward, his main contribution is still scoring not playmaking or assisting. So, regardless of position he played, scoring number is the first aspect of performance he would have been expected to achieve. I did not mention goal.com is always true but it shows other perspective of performance than whoscored which is only based on quantitative analysis as I said many times. You provide a great stats is very beneficial to analyze and has contributed to improve rating in my work is several points but should not extremely rely on stats of goals and assist and your perspective on football should be more visualized than only analyzed on paper. Finally, I also think the discussion with you had long been saturated point for now as I never receive the great explanation how whoscored is deserved as a universal rating ? So further discussion seems to be in similar trend of logic.
This is him at his best The Madrid press were comparing him to Alfredo di Stefano after this Marca and AS headlined this performance as simply: GOD "One day, he'll win the ball, cross it in and head it home himself," claimed El Mundo El País's headline simply called Him a "colossus." ".... As well as shooting, taking the free-kicks, building the plays and giving passes, Cristiano Ronaldo is also the one that folds up the shirts, cleans the boots and cuts the grass. The only thing left for him to do is man the ticket office," wrote Roberto Palomar in Marca El Mundo, wrote: "the orchestra man, capable of doing everything a player can do in attack." https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/feb/22/cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-villarreal
What does this even mean? Exactly what piece of media made you decide this was a weak era? When did this weak era begin? And what is a qualified star?
All information and rating evidences related footballer performance will identify number of qualified seasons/tournaments for players. At least 3.5 qualified seasons are required to be listed in https://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2012/12/Era-Ranking.html. Surely it is not always accurate but the results show significant different between modern era (2nd half 2000s to Present) If any overrated players or missing players are identified, I'm welcome. Statistics (Number of Qualified Players in each era) 1892 to 1900s : 18 1st Half 1910s : 18 2nd Half 1910s : 24 1st Half 1920s : 36 2nd Half 1920s : 54 1st Half 1930s : 57 2nd Half 1930s : 56 1st Half 1940s : 28 2nd Half 1940s : 53 1st Half 1950s : 70 2nd Half 1950s : 73 1st Half 1960s : 75 2nd Half 1960s : 76 1st Half 1970s : 83 2nd Half 1970s : 83 1st Half 1980s : 70 2nd Half 1980s : 65 1st Half 1990s : 69 2nd Half 1990s : 68 1st Half 2000s : 57 2nd Half 2000s : 47 1st Half 2010s : 46 2nd Half 2010s : 46
Here are some additional stats Stats pertaining to his creative abilities during his actual prime Last 18 matches of la liga 2009/10 Missed:1 Appearances:17 Goals:17 Assists:9(wide) 10 MOTM awards 40 key passes(2.4 KP per match) 55 dribbles(3.2 per match) 59 times fouled(3.47 per match) 1107 touches on the ball Avg 65 touches on the ball per match 678 passes(1 match missing) 42 passes avg per matches 78% pass accuracy Peaking also with 90+touches on the ball vs athletic bilbao https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/3...-LaLiga-2009-2010-Real-Madrid-Athletic-Bilbao This isn't just mindless running with the ball as WF Mohammed salah https://ronaldo.com/football-news/analysis-hazard-versus-salah/ C.Ronaldo was the chief final third creator of real Madrids attack If we say Rafael van der vaart and Guti were the midfield playmakers who made things tick in the middle of the park Then Ronaldo was the guy that almost every attack ran through in the final third He was an also elite ball carrier Again these are facts not mere speculation "In Ronaldo’s first season in La Liga, he covered 385 yards with the ball at his feet per 90 minutes. When he came to Spain, nobody ran with the ball more than Ronaldo" https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-evolution-of-cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-manchester-united/ Ronaldo 09/10 was between Salah WF(28 passes per match) And arjen robben 14/15 Hazard 18/19 (50 passes per match) As a hybrid playmaker https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/arjen-robben-progress-report-under-pep-guardiola A lateral winger/forward who is positioned on the RW but roams anywhere in the opposition half Taking 7 shots on goal per match(over 4 from out the box) Running with the ball more than anyone in la liga Being fouled more than anyone in la liga Dribbling more than anyone in la liga (except Messi ) Building plays Assists,pre assists key passes He did ALL of that And scored one more goal than Higuain Gonzalo Higuain who scored more goals in a single league season Than anybody in Italian football history On my recommendation you upgraded Messi 09/10 to phenomenon for half the season In his last 17 matches of la liga 2009/10 he scored 19 goals+5 assists https://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/saison/2009/wettbewerb/ES1 C.Ronaldo was in one of the very few instances of his career a slightly more productive and superior all round player to Messi in the 2nd half of la liga 2009/10 Messi had more consistency to his performances that's it CR had 6 weeks injury 2 red cards The highs of Messi 09/10 in la liga were phenomenal as were CRs Both>R9 96/97 1awho was just a dribbler and finisher Maradona 88/89 Was the playmaker behind careca and Carnevale charged with building the plays and driving forward napolis attack from a midfield position Maradona 88/89 Was outscored by careca in the UEFA cup Maradona 88/89 Was outdribbled by careca in the UEFA cup https://statsbomb.com/2020/04/decoding-diego-maradona-by-the-numbers/ Carnavale also outscored and outdribbled Maradona Maradona bonus:SW Careca wasn't even in the top 25 Brazilian dribblers of all time Maybe not even 50 Carnavale.....
@Dearman For the 2006 World cup qualification you rated CR as supreme international class http://xtrahistory.blogspot.com/2013/01/Competition-Level.html?m=1 He had as a orthodox winger: 7 open play goals+ 7 assists+ 2 pre assists in 12 matches out of 35 team goals:46% direct involvement https://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/nationalmannschaft/spieler/8198/verein_id/3300/plus/0?hauptwettbewerb=WMQ&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=&start=Aug+20,+2003&ende=May+24,+2020&nurEinsatz=0 Was only 19-20 years old Pre assist 1 5:55 Pre assist 2 0:18 There is also a great cross assist here that transfermarket did not credit him with in a 2-1 win against Liechtenstein 0:42 He had a direct hand in 16 goals in 12 matches as a 19-20 year old winger Scored some great goals,assists,great wing play,involvement in build up What is required for a 19 year old winger across 12 matches To achieve OW? You gave zidane a OW rating for the 2006 WCQ In 4 matches against faroe islands Ireland Switzerland Cyprus France scored 9 goals Zidane only made 1 goal+1 assist(vs Cyprus) https://www.transfermarkt.com/zinedine-zidane/nationalmannschaft/spieler/3111/verein_id/3377/plus/0?hauptwettbewerb=WMQ&wettbewerb_id=&trainer_id=&start=Aug+17,+1994&ende=Jul+9,+2006&nurEinsatz=0#subnavi CR(2005) and zinedine Zidane (2005) were both midfielders Cristiano ronaldo was at this stage of his career in fact a wide midfielder in a 4-4-2 (for club) or 4-2-3-1 for NT
For @Serpico and @Ariaga II The all-time world cup table, see where Uruguay ranks along the various measurements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup
I'll make comments on players one day after I've finished my own research. But if you come up with results like that, don't you suspect it might be because of a flaw in the system? What makes you determine who makes it into this ambiguous "international class" ranking? I'm sure the 70s is going to look like a golden era when you have a complete open door policy. Frickin' Norberto Alonso got in twice. In general, the modern era is always going to seem weaker, because a player's status is quite often determined after their retirement.