World Defender Of The Year Since 1930

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  1. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
    In 1951, 1952 and 1953 who were the best three right side defenders, the best three left side defenders and the best three central defenders (year by year)??
    I'm very curious.
     
  2. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That is as random a question as I've seen in this forum :ROFLMAO:
     
  3. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Some possible names to look at.

    George Young
    Johnny Carey
    Roger Marche
    William Martinez
    Gyula Lorant
    Branko Stankovic
    Tomislav Crnkovic
    Juan Francisco Lombardo
    Erik Nilsson
    Sergio Cervato
     
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  4. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
    1951 is a difficult year for me
    1952 and 1953 were Nilton e Djalma the best side defenders??
     
  5. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
    Dear Tom,
    I know you can answer me.
    Could you list me, based on your knowledge, the first three for each of the following roles (central defender, right back, left back) in 1951, in 1952 and in 1953?
    PS.
    in my opinion, you should restore the post on the team of the year
     
  6. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    2011 Dani Alves
    2012 Sergio Ramos
    2013 Thiago Silva
    2014 Jerome Boateng
    2015 Gerard Pique
    2016 Sergio Ramos
    2017 Sergio Ramos
    2018 Virgil Van Dijk
    2019 Virgil Van Dijk
     
  7. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That just looks a lot like "the most well-known defender in the team that won the big prize" list lol. Not saying you're wrong sir, but I do think there's plenty to dissect here.

    For example, I'd argue Godin could push himself into 1st spot, maybe in 2014.
     
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  8. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    A few names for possible consideration in 1951:

    1951

    Right Backs

    Stankovic - Yugoslav league winner
    Carey - Captain of Ireland
    Young - Captain of Scotland
    Ramsey - English league winner
    Matias Gonzalez - World Cup winner the year before

    Left Backs

    Happel - Austrian league winner
    Eusebio Tejera - World Cup winner the year before
    Marche
    Erik Nilsson
    Cervato

    Centre Halves

    Obdulio Varela - Uruguayan league winner and World Cup winner the year before
    Ocwirk - Austrian athlete of the year
    Nestor Rossi - Colombian league winner
    Lantos - Hungarian league winner
    Danilo Alvim
    Jonquet
    Horvat
    Woodburn
     
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  9. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    1952

    Right Backs

    Stankovic - Olympic Silver
    Djalma Santos - Torneio Rio-Sao Paulo winner
    Carey - English league winner
    Young - Captain of Scotland
    Ramsey
    Bergmark

    Left Backs

    Crnkovic - Olympic Silver
    Nilton Santos - Pan American Cup winner
    Happel - Austrian league winner
    Erik Nilsson - Olympic Bronze
    Lorant - Olympic Gold
    Marche
    Cervato

    Centre Halves

    Nestor Rossi - Colombian league winner
    Horvat - Olympic Silver
    Lantos - Olympic Gold
    Gustavsson - Olympic Bronze
    Carre - Belgian league winner
    Obdulio Varela
    Ocwirk
    Jonquet
    Lombardo
    Woodburn
     
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  10. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    #60 peterhrt, Dec 11, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2019
    1953

    Right Backs

    Stankovic - Yugoslav league winner
    Segarra - Spanish league winner
    Young - Captain of Scotland, Scottish league winner
    Djalma Santos
    Dellacha
    Bergmark

    Left Backs

    Marche - French league winner
    Novak - Czechoslovak league winner
    Lorant - Mitropa Cup winner
    Nilton Santos
    Cervato

    Centre Halves

    Obdulio Varela - Uruguayan league winner
    Ocwirk - Austrian league winner
    Nestor Rossi - Colombian league winner
    Jonquet - French league winner
    Carey - Captain of Ireland
    Lantos - Mitropa Cup winner
    Carre - Belgian league winner
    William Martinez
    Horvat
    Lombardo
     
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  11. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
    Great Job, Peter!
    Can you post the same ranking from 1954 to 1961?
     
  12. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Based on the tactical systems used in South America, Matías González and Eusebio Tejera were centre-backs, also Pedro Dellacha and William Martínez.

    Those who served as side-backs were the wing-halves. In those years in Uruguay they were Víctor Rodríguez Andrade and Schubert Gambetta (also Francisco Lombardo in Argentina).

    Obdulio Varela, Néstor Rossi and Danilo Alvim they were more in the modern mold of midfielders.
     
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  13. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Yes, partly for that reason they were labelled right/left backs and centre-halves here rather than side and central defenders.

    Obdulio Varela's famous performance against Brazil in 1950 was notable mainly for defence.
     
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  14. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, I think the Hungarians numbered players in defence from right to left (2, 3 and 4) didn't they. That might have misled Peterhrt a bit re: Lorant and Lantos.

    I think actually I've noticed Varga playing left back wearing number 4 as late as about 1986 in the Hungarian national team (against Brazil IIRC) but I'm not saying the tradition continued with no exceptions until that time.

    The right half (eg Bozsik) wore number 5 and left half wore number 6 of course.
     
  16. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    I think that Happel played either CB/ CH in the 3 at the back as said already, or RH, like Wright did too. Happel also was used at RB during a little while in NT iirc about what I read (Wright, I don't know).
     
  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think Austria was a bit different to Hungary and others in those years, because they still played the older-fashioned back 2 and then a centre-half midfielder (Ocwirk) and two wider wing-halves I think didn't they?

    Then Ocwirk changed to playing as a new-style wing half, and sometimes inside forward (but in effect still midfielder) later on in his career I think.
     
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  18. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
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    FC Nantes
    Yes that's right.
     
  19. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    From the Argentine League I'd add:

    Juan Carlos Colman (CB - Boca Juniors, especially in 1953)
    Higinio García (CB - Racing Club, especially in 1951)
    Ernesto Gutiérrez (LH - Racing Club, especially in 1951)

    Also:

    Raúl Pini (CB - Millonarios, for 1951, 1952 and 1953)
     
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  20. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    If you want to adapt Pyramid players to a Back-3 (WM system), then you should considering (Not exactly the same, but the closer role):
    RFB/LFB in Pyramid = CB in WM (2 men for 1 spot)
    RH/LH in Pyramid = RB/LB in WM

    Basically Austria and South Americans (excluding Brazil and Chile) were still playing 2-3-5 around 1951-53.

    With this consideration, I'd place in a Back-3 (with the other names)
    RB - Lombardo, Rodríguez Andrade
    CB - M.Gonzalez, Happel, Tejera, Dellacha, W.Martínez, JC.Colman, H.García, Raúl Pini
    LB - E.Gutiérrez

    Mids - Varela, Ocwirk, Rossi, Danilo
     
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  21. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    What Happel exactly was at RC Paris.
     
  22. Zidomnia

    Zidomnia New Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 21, 2019
    Come on, guys!
    I hope to see soon the ranking for 1954, 55, 56, 57, 58,59, 60, 61!!!
     
  23. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I think Happel played in Racing Club at 1955-56. Another era, with another system, too.
     
  24. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    1954

    Right Defenders

    Djalma Santos, World Cup Team of Tournament
    VR Andrade, Uruguayan league winner
    Lombardo, Argentine league winner
    Stankovic

    Left Defenders

    Lantos, World Cup runner-up
    Nilton Santos
    Byrne
    Marche
    Crnkovic

    Central Defenders

    Santamaria, World Cup Team of Tournament
    Liebrich, World Cup winner
    Lorant, World Cup runner-up
    Happel, Austrian league winner
    Wright, English league winner
    Horvat, Yugoslav league winner
    Dellacha
    Jonquet
    William Martinez
    Carre
     
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  25. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Jonquet & Marche : Latin Cup winners '53 (against Grenoli's Milan, 3-0).
     
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