World Cup 2022 and politics (R)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Nov 4, 2022.

  1. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    I am saying we have yet to see it again world cups or regional championships. We have seen plenty of goals at the death since 2010 and the feat hasn't been repeated. So the anybody would do it, is tough to prove.
     
  2. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Ok...I'm all for charts, standings, records and odds. So somebody explain to me why the Greeks won the EUROS a while ago other than parking the bus. Ball is round and don't lie is all I can come up with! You place your bets and takes your chances! :coffee:
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    After watching the full game, I'm sticking with my claim. Senegal got false confidence in the first half hour by having possession, had a couple of half chances that it failed to score on, got smoked with two counterattack goals in the first half, one of which concluded as the half ended, and then conceded a third goal in the second half. Been there, seen that.

    The style of Netherlands/England goals were similar, too, being balls played with precision from out wide against defenses that weren't set. Except for the English 2nd goal, that was different.
     
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  4. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Poland
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk

    oh, oh... I know!

    they scored more than their opponents in each game and advanced to the next game

    oh, and the Portuguese Ronaldo (and Figo and the rest of the original Golden Generation) choked?
     
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  5. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    The Greeks were given a 150-1 chance of winning before the tournament. All of Greece's wins in the knockout stage came in an identical manner a 1–0 win.

    Ps...I never get upset when Portugal loses.
     
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  6. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Yeah, I was concerned that there may be some second half drama here, but the press didn’t let them get organized.
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And, supposedly, we have also reached the semifinals.
     
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  8. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Poland
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    once

     
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  9. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well now...I hope they got orange slices at half time! :whistling:
     
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  10. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Poland
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    In 1930?!
    I think back then, half time refreshment was still a cigarette
     
  11. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They say a lot of stupid things in the Spanish broadcasts, but to me it's still better than the English. And you don't need to understand Spanish to appreciate how much more emotion they put into their broadcast.
     
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  12. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Why wait! :cool:

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  13. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I'd actually like to see the U.S. get dinged over its unwillingness to support workers, it certainly would be ironic if the U.S. were to lose the ability to host the WC over it when Qatar's unwillingness to provide even minimally acceptable living conditions (let alone benefits) to the slaves that toiled to make this WC possible were acceptable to FIFA and the rest of the world.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Socrates had a post-sex smoke after this Eder bomb

     
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  15. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't often put on my metaphorical scholar's hat here on BigSoccer, but here it goes.

    Sportswashing is a relatively recent idea, borrowed from the concept of greenwashing in which polluters and other damaging entities have products or policies which will actually help the environment. In this case, the companies (and other entities) are knowingly engaged in misdirection about their policies and practices.

    It's that last part - the purposefulness of it - that makes evaluating when a country or individual or other entity is engaging in sportswashing. The concept implies that they are actively trying to distract from bad behavior or negative aspects of their regime/career/etc. And in many cases - especially those related to mega sporting events such as the Qatar World Cup - that isn't the case. Rather, Qatar would argue the opposite, that being named host would expose them to far more scrutiny than they would have ever been subject to had they kept a lower profile. They were instead following the path blazed by many other countries of hosting for legitimacy (as in, being seen as legitimate by other global actors). In fact, all kinds of people have been labeling things sportwashing that seem anything but to me - "it started with Nazi Germany in 1936" goes the thinking, but the Nazis were bragging about their regime and what they were up to; they consciously used hosting to show forth their greatness. They weren't trying to "wash" a damned thing.

    I can get behind the idea that Qatar (and other regimes) might benefit from an associated softening of opinion on the part of the public during a successfully hosted tournament, but not that this is what they set out to do.
     
  16. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's how I feel about M'bappe. He, CR, and Zlatan belong in their own league -- the Superego League.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    Great post

    Tommy Vietor had good discussion on this in his Qatar podcast. It's more a launch of the country brand to the world - an opening up - than a sport washing. Vietor's guest compared it more to Abu Dhabi, who have used Man City as a global platform to launch a family of brands to world markets in an effort to become a hub to rival Dubai. Abu Dhabi also do sport washing - which leads to the over use of the term IMO.

    More obvious sport washing in football was Abramovich at Genocide FC, part of presenting a new, modern face of Russia to the world. I don't think Qatar is doing that.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting thread about Hakan Sukur, who scored the fastest goal in WC history. A Turkish announcer mentioned him, and the announcer was fired at halftime because Sukur opposes Erdogan. Now Sukur is working in California as an Uber driver.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    France flopped just like in '02, despite have an amazing side
     
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  20. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    The 1st round in '02 was a disaster not unlike the rest of it. Rivaldo comes to mind! :mad:
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    LOL

    Euro 2004 was just a very strange tournament. e.g France vs England in group play was a very tense game and I felt those 2 sides were the best at the tourney. Then France fell apart vs Greece, and Rooney got injured and they crashed out on pens after an epic struggle vs Portugal. Then a madness in the final. Greece really were not good, And yet ...
     
  22. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    The greatness of Zidane, in four parts:

    France plus Zidane 1998 - World Cup winners.

    France minus Zidane 2002 - group stage exit (bottom of group).

    France plus Zidane 2006 - World Cup runners up.

    France minus Zidane 2010 - group stage exit (bottom of group).
     
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  23. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    For whatever reason, Euros are kinder to underdogs than other international tournaments. Denmark won in 1992 after being a last-minute replacement for Yugoslavia.
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    #2274 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Dec 5, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2022
    Sukur!

    I see that he follows Fethullah Gulen who "General" Michael Flynn was trying to get extradited back to Turkey to please Erdogan & make some cash.

    Looked up why this seditious mf'er Flynn hasn't been tried by the military for his outrageous conduct in retirement, and it's our usual "our elites are untouchable and it would just rile up our partisan divisions in 'Merica again" IOW a license to lie, cheat & steal.

    The military can recall retired personnel to try them for alleged crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), even when those acts occur after retirement. But experts say it has done so only a few dozen times since the 19th century.

    In this instance, the Pentagon has shown little interest in pursuing such a move, in part because of the shaky legal foundations for such cases, several of which are being challenged in court. It would also draw the Biden administration back into the divisive politics surrounding the 2020 elections, which strained military norms and generated criticism of Pentagon leaders...

    ...As the Pentagon attempts to return to business as usual, any attempted action against Flynn could thrust it back into a charged debate. Already, the Biden administration is trying to navigate criticism from the right that it is using the military to advance a left-wing social agenda.

    Asked about Flynn’s comment, an army spokeswoman said the Army was “not investigating these statements further at this time.”

    The Army also has not taken action in response to internal watchdog findings that Flynn potentially violated the emoluments clause by accepting money from Russian and Turkish interests. With few exceptions, U.S. officials, including retired service members, are prohibited from accepting money or gifts from foreign governments. Flynn retired from the Army in 2014.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...fbf05c-c47f-11eb-8c34-f8095f2dc445_story.html
     
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  25. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, I am back to the land of the Big PX.


    Is Telemundo the only choice I have to watch the games?

    I do not have peacock.
     
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