World Cup 2010 Candidates

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Englishref, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    AFC

    Abdullah Mohamed Al Hilali, Oman
    Khalil Ibrahim Al Ghamdi, Saudi Arabia
    Matthew Breeze, Australia
    Ravshan Irmatov, Uzbekistan
    Subkhiddin Modh Saleh, Malaysia
    Masoud Moradi, Iran
    Yuichi Nishimura, Japan
    Mark Shield, Australia

    CAF

    Mohamed Benouza, Algeria
    Coffi Codjia, Benin
    Koman Coulibaly, Mali
    Jerome Damon, South Africa
    Badara Diatta, Senegal
    Eddy Allen Maillet, Seychelles

    CONCACAF

    Joel Antonio Aguilar Chicas, El Salvador
    Benito Armando Archundia Tellez, Mexico
    Carlos Alberto Batres Gonzalez, Guatemala
    Jair Marrufo, USA
    Roberto Moreno Salazar, Panama
    Marco Antonio Rodriguez Moreno, Mexico
    Enrico John Wijngaarde, Surinam

    CONMEBOL

    Carlos Amarilla Demarqui, Paraguay
    Hector Walter Baldassi, Argentina
    Silvio Fagundes, Brazil
    Jorge Larrionda, Uruguay
    Sergio Fabian Pezzota, Argentina
    Pablo Antonio Pozo Quinteros, Chile
    Oscar Julian Ruiz Acosta, Colombia
    Carlos Simon, Brazil
    Carlos Manuel Torres Nunez, Paraguay
    Martin E. Vazquez Broquetas, Uruguay

    OFC

    Michael Hester, New Zealand
    Peter O'Leary, New Zealand
    Rakesh Chand Varman, Fiji

    UEFA

    Olegario Manuel Bartolo F. Benquerenca, Portugal
    Ivan Bebek, Croatia
    Massimo Busacca, Switzerland
    Frank De Bleeckere, Belgium
    Thomas Einwaller, Austria
    Grzegorz Gilewski, Poland
    Martin Hansson, Sweden
    Viktor Kassai, Hungary
    Stephane Lannoy, France
    Claus Bo Larsen, Denmark
    Manuel Enrique Mejuto Gonzalez, Spain
    Lubos Michel, Slovakia
    Roberto Rosetti, Italy
    Damir Skomina, Slovenia
    Wolfgang Stark, Germany
    Craig Thomson, Scotland
    Kyros Vassaras, Greece
    Pieter Vink, Netherlands
    Howard Melton Webb, England
    Tom Henning Övrebö, Norway
     
  2. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    A couple of surprises. Why on earth is the USA's candidate Jair Marrufo? Why not Kevin Stott? And isn't Marrufo very new to the FIFA list? Why not Prus or Vaughn?

    CAF's list seems remarkably short, given the size of the confederation. FIFA can't have great confidence in their ability.

    And why has Pieter Vink been selected over Eric Braamhaar? I'd also have liked to have seen Alberto Undiano Mallenco on that list. The likes of Bebek, Einwaller, and Skomina are going to have to be pushed by UEFA onto higher profile, tougher games in the next few years if they're to be up to the standard required for a World Cup finals.

    On a better note, it's great to see some old faces returning for yet another WC, like Ruiz, Codjia, Michel and of course Mark Shield. :cool:
     
  3. campton

    campton New Member

    May 1, 2007
    Chi-city
    How many get chosen to go to the actual camp? How many get chosen to do matches?

    From what i understand from watching a Graham Poll interview, the CR brings his crew (does it include 4th?). Then they all must pass exams for fitness and ability.

    Is my view on that correct?
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow.

    My thoughts, from top to bottom...

    AFC - No surprises (among the names I know) and you have to think Australia will get two guys at the World Cup this time, as Breeze has worked the highest level games in Asia. If that happens, I would see it as another sad statement about USSF refereeing (Australia can get two but the US gets none--at least in the last WC?). Also, isn't Irmatov the guy that butchered a few games at the WYC?

    CAF - Don't know much about these guys except Codija, who I imagine will referee a late round game unless he has a disaster along the way. Damon and Benouza are the other guys that have been around--not sure about the others.

    CONCACAF - Okay, obviously a lot to assess here. First, Aguilar has been pretty bad at the FIFA tournaments and Gold Cup from what I've seen. There has to be better in Central America. Archundia and Rodriguez are locks from Mexico and I'm actually surprised that a third Mexican didn't make the candidates list. Batres must go back and he'll be a candidate to work in the latter stages for certain. Wijngaarde and Moreno are there to fill out numbers. And, I fear, so is Marrufo.

    I'm pretty sure Stott isn't there because he didn't want to be considered (someone can correct me on that). But pushing Marrufo over Vaughn is confusing to me. I'm not sure which one was better last year, but Vaughn has more experience and has certainly earned the opportunity, I think. Taking nothing away from Marrufo (in an ideal world, it'd be nice to push two Americans--which probably would be happening if Stott had gone to the last World Cup as a full referee), but my gut reaction is that Vaughn should have had first crack. And my second reaction is that an American just isn't going to make it. Marrufo is going to have to set the world on fire to get picked--he's never been to a FIFA tournament and he's never even had a World Cup Qualifying match. I wish him luck, but if a guy like Stott with years of international experience gets bounced (with political reasons playing a big factor) then I just don't think a novice American has a chance in hell. I see nothing but disappointment for USSF and American referees coming up. (also, if Marrufo is listed here, then why on earth was Toledo sent to Copa America over him?!?!)

    CONMEBOL - A lot of new names here. You've got to figure that the old stand-bys will make a return. Honestly, given the numbers per confederation, it looks like CONMEBOL has set itself up to send the highest proportion of its candidates. I can't see guys like Simon, Torres, Larrionda, Ruiz, etc. being denied. And Pezzotta will go. So that's at least 5 from South America.

    OFC - O'Leary could go. The rest will not.


    UEFA - Definitely a few surprises. Vink over Braamhaar isn't one of them to me (not anymore, at least--I still don't know why he got selected for EURO, but one he did, it followed that he would be on the WC list first).

    Not having Mallenco is a huge surprise. I thought he was one of the best young referees in the world and Spain could have sent two referees last time, so you'd think they'd get two candidates this time.

    The big surprise is Einwaller. I don't have a clue who that even is. I don't think he's ever done a UCL game. How he makes this list over Mallenco or even that younger Icelandic referee they've pushed a little is beyond me.

    Also, no Russian referee at all. Kind of weird.

    With that, a best guess at who might make the cut:

    BREEZE - AUS
    MODH SALEH - MYS
    NISHIMURA - JPN
    SHIELD - AUS

    BENOUZA - ALG
    CODIJA - BEN
    DAMON - RSA

    ARCHUNDIA - MEX
    BATRES - GUA
    RODRIGUEZ - MEX

    LARRIONDA - URU
    PEZZOTA - ARG
    RUIZ - COL
    SIMON - BRA
    TORRES - PAR

    O'LEARY - NZL

    BENQURENCA - POR
    BUSACCA - SUI
    GILEWSKI - POL
    LARSEN - DEN
    GONZALEZ - ESP
    MICHEL - SVK
    ROSSETTI - ITA
    SKOMINA - SVN
    STARK - GER
    THOMSON - SCO
    VASSARAS - GRE
    WEBB - ENG
    OVREBO - NOR

    And I'd lay even money right now that either Mark Shield or Lubos Michel referees the 2010 World Cup Final.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it's the same system as last time, each candidate gets paired with two assistants (from his home country unless it is a "small" country and then they could be from nearby countries).

    For the next two years, they work together in international matches. And each crew goes to at least one of the upcoming 4 major FIFA tournaments (U20, U17, Confed, CWC). Crews are then selected for the tournament. If any member of the crew fails the fitness (or psychological) test, then the entire crew is disqualified. This happened to Mejuto Gonzalez last time and is why you had the "second best" Spanish referee being the one that was the fourth official on the WC Final.
     
  6. Spaceball

    Spaceball Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Where did you find this list? I couldn't find it on FIFA's page.


     
  7. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jair Marrufo, I am stunned. No offense to him, but there are considerably more seasoned referees on the list from that merit consideration. Why not Vaughn? I know this past season was not one of his best, but still.

    Regarding Moreno, I like him. He could continue to develop. I agree he like Marrufo has little chance over Batres, Chiqui Dracula and Archundia.
     
  8. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    From another refereeing website. The list had been coming out in dribs and drabs, but someone finally posted the full list. Granted, there's no official confirmation from FIFA, but it'd take a lot to come up with a list like this for no reason. The person who posted was also right with the Euro 2008 list before it was published by UEFA.

    Without wishing to disrespect New Zealand officiating, it seems amazing that they can have two nominees, but Spain can't have two (Mallenco being the other), or England (Clattenburg being the other) for example. And I fully agree with you MassRef re: Einwaller. Tbf, I've seen him twice and he was good on both occasions, but those were minor UEFA club games. Bebek, Skomina and Kassai are all yet to be really tested on a big UCL or Int'l game.

    It's also not the most motivating situation for someone like Clatts or Atkinson (I use them as an example only because I'm English), who are young but know they have to wait at least 6 years to get a shot at a World Cup finals.
     
  9. Citiref

    Citiref New Member

    Oct 16, 2004
    Actually, Marrufo has officiated a World Cup Qualifying match; Fiji vs. New Zealand in October.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? Ok. My mistake.

    In fact, had I known that, I probably would have been able to guess he'd be on the list. Of course, giving (or getting him) that game was probably due to the fact that he was going to be on this list. He's still never worked a CONCACAF Qualifier, like Vaughn has. And he wasn't sent to Copa America, like Toledo was. It's as if someone decided he was going to be on this list and he got sent to OFC to do this qualifier (which, by the way, bodes well for him in general, because FIFA has to confirm/make [?] that assignment). The question still remains--why?

    Maybe Marrufo, with his Dad's history, just has a better connection with CONCACAF and a better chance to shine with FIFA. If that's the case, I suppose this is a good strategic move on USSF's part.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, I was thinking about this and forgot to comment.

    One of the upsides of the new system that was touted is the fact that a country can get two sets of officials to the World Cup if they are worthy (which couldn't happen in recent history). That's great. But my question now is, who decides how the list is filled out?

    It would seem, based SOLELY on the New Zealand situation, that FIFA tells each confederation how many referees they can nominate and the federations, in turn, put names forth to the confederations. There's really no other plausible scenario. It is inconceivable that FIFA selects the nominees itself. Otherwise, you would have to think that several European countries would get 3-4 candidates before anyone else--save, maybe, Mexico--gets a second candidate.

    If the goal is REALLY to get the best in the world (while maintaining somewhat of a geographical representation) then you have to think that Italy's or Germany's or France's "second guy" (all of which are unproven now) for 2010 (nevermind Mallenco or Clattenburg) is already better than anyone in New Zealand.
     
  12. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca
    OFC - O'Leary could go. The rest will not.

    The big surprise is Einwaller. Saw him on games in Toulon a few years ago. He is not that good must have someone one pushing him or someone needs to get reappointed and they need austria vote. UEFA Top young ones are Webb and thomson



    O'LEARY - NZL

    BENQURENCA - POR
    BUSACCA - SUI
    GILEWSKI - POL
    LARSEN - DEN
    GONZALEZ - ESP
    MICHEL - SVK
    ROSSETTI - ITA
    SKOMINA - SVN
    STARK - GER
    THOMSON - SCO
    VASSARAS - GRE
    WEBB - ENG
    OVREBO - NOR

    And I'd lay even money right now that either Mark Shield or Lubos Michel referees the 2010 World Cup Final.[/QUOTE]
     
  13. Hellobob57

    Hellobob57 New Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    Too bad Valentin Ivanov had to retire.:(
     

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