WORLD CUP 1958 - Retconned

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  1. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    HOST SELECTION
    Sweden, Argentina, Chile and Mexico expressed interest in hosting the 1958 tournament in the FIFA meeting, around the IV World Cup took place. Swedish delegates lobbied and finally they succeeded to host the 1958 edition.
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    FORMAT
    The FIFA commitee proposed a format with 16 teams divided into four groups of four teams. The better two teams of each group advancing to quarter-finals, then semi-final and the final match for the title. Official match ball is the model Top-Star.
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    VENUES
    The tournament took place in Sweden from 08 to 29 June 1958, FIFA regulations required stadiums with at least 20,000 seats. Twelve cities were selected to host the matches, being the main stadiums: Råsunda at Solna (Stockholm), Ullevi (Göteborg), Malmö and Norrköping.
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    REFEREES
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    RULES
    a) The 1958 WC squads consists of 16 or 22 players at most.
    b) Systems allowed are WM (3-2-5), False 9 variant, and 4-2-4.
    c) Managers can field the same XI, no more than two times.
    d) Every active player in the years 1957, 1958 or 1959, is available to be in his NT roster.

    Players level will be evaluated at his current form in this period. Naturalized players cases will be determined by his last cap / active club in this era.

    For each match, teams get 2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. At Group Phase, in case of a tie on points, qualified teams will be determined by goal average.

    For match results, managers (except in his own match) will post his score after the two teams fielded their teams. To calculate results, firstly, we consider which one got more wins, and secondly averaging the goals scored. Draws are allowed only at Group Phase.

    Every national team affiliated to FIFA was invited to compete. Among the seeded teams expected to take part in this great event are:

    POT A: Brazil, Hungary, Argentina, England
    POT B: USSR, France, Spain, Sweden
    POT C: Uruguay, Yugoslavia, W.Germany, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Scotland, Italy, Perú, etc.


    ORGANIZADOR
    Suecia, Argentina, Chile y Mexico se postularon para organizar el mundial 1958 en el Congreso FIFA, llevado a cabo cerca de la IV edición mundialista. Los delegados suecos presionaron y finalmente consiguieron el voto para albergar la edición 1958.

    FORMATO
    La FIFA propone un formato con 16 equipos divididos en cuatro grupos de cuatro equipos. Los dos mejores clasificados, avanzan a Cuartos de Final, luego a Semifinal y el partido Final por el título. El balón oficial es el modelo Top-Star.

    SEDES
    El torneo se desarrolla en Suecia, del 08 al 29 de junio de 1958, las reglas FIFA permite estadios con no menos de 20,000 de capacidad. Doce ciudades van a albergar los partidos, siendo los principales estadios: Råsunda en Solna (Estocolmo), Ullevi (Gotemburgo), Malmö y Norrköping.

    ARBITROS
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    REGLAS
    a) La plantilla mundialista consiste de 16 a 22 jugadores como máximo.
    b) Las tácticas a utilizar son la WM (3-2-5), la variante de Falso 9, y el 4-2-4.
    c) Entrenadores pueden alinear un mismo XI, como máximo dos veces.

    d) Todos los jugadores activos en los años 1957, 1958 or 1959, son elegibles.

    El nivel de los jugadores será evaluado al que tenían en esos años. Jugadores nacionalizados serán considerados por su última internacionalidad / club en ese periodo


    En cada partido, los ganadores tendrán 2 puntos, y 1 punto por empate. En Fase de Grupo, en caso de igualdad en puntos, los clasificados se determinan por diferencia de goles.

    Para definir los resultados, cada entrenador (excepto en su propio partido), enviarán sus resultados, una vez los equipos presenten su alineación. Para el cálculo, primero, se considera quien obtuvo más victorias, y luego se promedia los goles marcados. Los empates solo se permite en Fase de Grupos.

    Cada país afiliado a FIFA puede ser escogido. Entre las selecciones pre-clasificadas, que se esperan participen en este mundial están:


    BOMBO A: Brazil, Hungría, Argentina, Inglaterra
    BOMBO B: URSS, Francia, España, Suecia

    BOMBO C: Uruguay, Yugoslavia, Alemania F, Checoslovaquia, Austria, Escocia, Italia, Perú, etc
     
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  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

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    Lima, Peru
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  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #3 Excape Goat, Jan 2, 2025
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2025
    This is important.

    Meanwhile, dead player could be selected, if active in 1957, right? I think you know why I am asking you this question. It will affect two national teams on Pot A.
     
  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yes, him and his club fellows are able to play in this multiverse. Also banned players, too.
    All of them will be considered in his peak form in any of the 1957, 58, 59 years.

    My main doubt, will be José Santamaria, if someone is managing Uruguay he's available, if not, he's able for Spain instead.
     
  5. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Maybe it's good for me to just select two teams now then msioux.

    Hungary and France I can do if that seems ok?
     
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  6. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    My preferences:
    BOMBO A: Inglaterra
    BOMBO C: Italia
     
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  7. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Spain
    It seemed that Argentina won't get their players back
     
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  8. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Many argentinians playing overseas hadn't been capped for other countries in that period: 57-59
     
  9. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Question? @PDG1978 , @La-Máquina , @Excape Goat , @Perú FC

    a) Freedom to put a line-up (not repeating same XI), or
    b) Rival could block an opposing player before the match (X player could be banned, just 1 time). Except the Final Match

    This is important for selecting Squad (subs and roles covered).
     
  10. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    (B) only works if all the squads are balanced with similar strength. This rule will only favour the big nations with deeper squads. The smaller countries already have an uphill task against the big nations, we shouldn't make that task even tougher by blocking their best player(s).

    (A) works best in this format. Resembling a real life tournament, a country rarely plays the same XI all tournament (but still has their strong spine intact).
     
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  11. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Argentina & Peru
     
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  12. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I already created my own 1958 Argentina World Cup team. I wanted to try something different.
     
  13. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I pick these countries:
    West Germany (defending champion)
    Sweden (host nation)
     
  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #14 msioux75, Jan 3, 2025
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2025
    Unless, other manager join us, tomorrow will make the draw.

    Two groups of five, with the better two advancing to Semi-Finals
    Mixing groups for every manager (nobody could get his teams in the same group)
    Similar cummulative ELO for group
     
  15. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I would like to know if Alcides Ghiggia is available for the Italian NT?
    Played for Roma (1954–1961) and won 5 caps with Italy (1957–1959).
     
  16. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yes, he is. And others who played for Italy in that era and weren't capped by his native countries around (1957-59)
     
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  17. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Creo que @Titanlux quería jugar también.
    Dejo mis opciones libres, y escogeré después que él.

    En ese caso, el sorteo será con 4 grupos de 3 equipos, siendo los del Bombo A (cabezas de serie)
     
  18. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Teams confirmed:
    PDG1978 - Hungary, France
    La-Maquina - England, Italy
    Excape Goat - Brazil, Spain
    Perú FC - Argentina, Perú
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    The Hungarian squad has been submitted, in the belief that Ladislao Kubala (as he is now known) will be available and selected for Spain....

    1) Gyula Grosics
    2) Sandor Matrai
    3) Laszlo Sarosi
    4) Ferenc Sipos
    5) Jozsef Bozsik
    6) Pal Berendi
    7) Karoly Sandor
    8) Sandor Kocsis
    9) Florian Albert
    10) Ferenc Puskas
    11) Zoltan Czibor
    12) Bela Karpati
    13) Istvan Ilku
    14) Ferenc Szojka
    15) Mihaly Lantos
    16) Janos Gorocs
    17) Jozsef Toth
    18) Lajos Tichy
    19) Nandor Hidegkuti
    20) Peter Palotas
    21) Mate Fenyvesi
    22) Lajos Csordas

    The French squad is due to be announced tomorrow.
     
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  20. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    France squad:

    1) Francois Remetter
    2) Jean Wendling
    3) Roger Marche
    4) Armand Penverne
    5) Robert Jonquet
    6) Jean-Jacques Marcel
    7) Marian Wisniewski
    8) Just Fontaine
    9) Raymond Kopa
    10) Roger Piantoni
    11) Jean Vincent
    12) Robert Herbin
    13) Dominique Colonna
    14) Andre Lerond
    15) Rene Ferrier
    16) Lucien Muller
    17) Pierre Grillet
    18) Yvon Douis
    19) Thadee Cisowski
    20) Francois Heutte
    21) Jean Djorkaeff
    22) Rene Bliard
     
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  21. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    No news. So, in a few minutes I'll make the Draw with 10 NTs.
     
  22. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    DRAW
    A former world champion and a local legendary player were invited to drew out balls from every Pot (according their ELO) to make the final Draw.
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    Group 1: ------------------------------ Group 2:
    BRAZIL -------------------------------- HUNGARY
    ENGLAND---------------------------- ARGENTINA
    FRANCE------------------------------- SPAIN
    W.GERMANY------------------------ SWEDEN
    PERÚ------------------------------------ ITALY
     
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  23. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Venues, Referees and News

    Group 1:
    Stadiums Ullevi (Göteborg) and Malmö, at southern parts of Sweden, hosted the matches from this group.
    The referees selected were Juan Brozzi (Arg), Itsván Zsolt (Hun), Juan Gardeazábal (Spa) and Fritz Seipelt (Aus).

    Group 2:
    Stadiums Råsunda at Solna (Stockholm) and Norrköping, at central parts of Sweden, hosted the matches from this group.
    The referees selected were Maurice Guigue (Fra), Benjamin Griffiths (Wal), Reginald Leafe (Eng) and Raymond Wyssling (Swi).

    The FIFA Commitee decided this Schedule from next stages:
    a) Semifinal A: best team from Group 1 vs second-best from Group 2.
    b) Semifinal B: best team from Group 2 vs second-best from Group 1.
    c) Final match: winner SF-A vs winner SF-B
     
  24. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brazil

    https://soccerfootballwhatever.blogspot.com/2025/01/team-gk-carlos-jose-castilho-carlos.html


    GK: Carlos Jose Castilho (Fluminense)
    GK: Gilmar (Corinthians)
    RB: Djalma Santos (Portuguesa)
    RB: De Sordi (São Paulo)
    CB: Orlando Peçanha (Vasco Da Gama)
    CB: Mauro Ramos (São Paulo)
    CB: Bellini (Vasco Da Gama)
    LB: Nilton Santos (Botafogo)
    LB/MF: Oreco (Corinthians)
    DM/CB: Zózimo (Bangu)
    DM: Zito (Santos)
    CM Dino Sani (São Paulo)
    CM: Didi (Botafogo)
    AM: Zizinho (São Paulo)
    RW: Garrincha (Botafogo)
    FW: Evaristo (Barcelona)
    LW/FW: Pepe (Santos)
    RW: Julinho (Fiorentina)
    LW: Mario Zagallo (Flamengo)
    ST: Vava (Vasco Da Gama)
    ST: Jose Altafini (Palmeiras)
    FW: Pele (Santos)

    Three new players: Ziizinho, Evaristo and Julinho.
     
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  25. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Schedule

    Matchday 1
    :
    G1: W.GER vs BRA
    G1: ENG vs PER
    G2: HUN vs SWE
    G2: ARG vs ITA
    No match: France, Spain

    Matchday 2:
    G1: W.GER vs PER
    G1: BRA vs FRA
    G2: HUN vs SPA
    G2: SWE vs ITA
    No match: England, Argentina

    Matchday 3:
    G1: W.GER vs FRA
    G1: BRA vs ENG
    G2: HUN vs ARG
    G2: SPA vs SWE
    No match: Perú, Italy

    Matchday 4:
    G1: FRA vs PER
    G1: W.GER vs ENG
    G2: ARG vs SWE
    G2: SPA vs ITA
    No match: Brazil, Hungary

    Matchday 5:
    G1: BRA - PER
    G1: FRA - ENG
    G2: HUN vs ITA
    G2: ARG vs SPA
    No match: W.Germany, Sweden

    Matchday 6:
    SF-A: G1 winner - G2 runner up
    SF-B: G2 winner - G1 runner up

    Matchday 7:
    SF-A winner vs SF-B winner
     

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