Women's Euro 2025 qualifiers

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by BIHfan, Sep 9, 2022.

  1. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Yes, that's why I give them a lot of credit for how improved they looked in Australia and New Zealand during the World Cup where they hit the post against the United States and also knocked them out.
     
  2. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    FBref USWNT vs Portugal (FIFA WWC2023)

    USWNT 2.1 xG - Portugal 0.4 xG; USWNT 17 shots/5 SOT - Portugal 6 shots/0 SOT (Naeher - no saves, Pereira - 5 saves)

    What a performance by the better team. More possession/nice buildup doesn't necessarily make you the better team and unlucky not to advance. Both teams had sub 70% passing accuracy; it was not exactly a great match from either team.
     
  3. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I remember that the American press was extremely critical of the US performance in that game. Also, Portugal had the best chance in the game when they hit the post in the 91th minute following a great build-up attack. Had that ball gone in, the US would have been knocked out of the tournament and Portugal would have gone through in second place ahead of them. The Portugal team from Euro 2022 would have lost 3-0 against that US team.
     
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  4. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Yeah, and a lot of the criticism was fair. That doesn't mean Portugal were the better team though.

    According to FBref, both Morgans and Williams had better xG chances than that late Portugal chance. The US got very lucky there, but Portugal didn't outplay them.
     
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  5. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I never said Portugal outplayed them, I just pointed out that they had the best chance in that game and that had that shot in the 91th minute gone in, the United States would have been knocked out of the World Cup in the group stage.
     
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  6. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    You said Portugal were the better team and were unlucky to advance to the knockouts. I don't think that's different from saying they outplayed the US, but alright.

    It wasn't the best chance in my opinion; it just stood out the most.
     
  7. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Yes it's different, being the better team ≠ outplaying your opponent.
     
  8. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Alright, fair enough. Still strongly disagree that they were the better team.
     
  9. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Why were former USWNT players and the press ('US survives late scare', 'US narrowly advances', 'USA's narrow escape') so critical of the US team then?
     
  10. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Because the US didn't play well; that doesn't mean Portugal were good either. Better teams don't earn 0.4 xG while their opponent earned 2.1 xG, better teams don't have 6 shots while their opponent had 17 shots, and better teams don't have no shots on target while their opponent had 5 shots on target.
     
  11. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Did you see the US' "shots" on target in that game? Portugal literally had the best goal-scoring opportunity in the game.
     
  12. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    #237 Ethan Frank, Mar 6, 2024
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2024
    No, they didn't. I specifically recall a sequence where Williams had two consecutive point blank chances, which were both better chances than Portugal's late one. (Edit: I don't think the ball went fully out of play. If Williams had scored and the goal been disallowed, I'm assuming VAR would have potentially overturned the call.)

    I didn't know one great chance late in a match qualifies a team as being the better team.

    Edit: If you want to say Portugal were the better team in terms of performing up to expectations, that's fair and true. They absolutely were not the better team on an absolute scale though in my opinion.
     
  13. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I'm not counting that Williams chance precisely because the ball had gone out AND it wasn't reviewed by VAR as a potential wrong referee decision.

    I don't know what you mean by 'absolute scale' but Portugal has improved massively in many ways since 2022. If they had played against the USWNT like they played at Euro 2022, they would have lost 3-0.
     
  14. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Of course, it wasn’t reviewed; Williams didn’t score. That ball didn’t look fully out (like that one Japan goal on the men’s side).

    Absolute scale as in not using preconceived expectations. Have Portugal take 17 shots (5 on target) and 2.1 xG, and have the US take 6 shots (none on target) and 0.4 xG with that late chance. We would not be talking about the US being the better team and being unlucky. We would be talking about how they shouldn’t have had to rely on a late scoring chance. I think we would actually be talking about how well Portugal did and how they were a bit unlucky not to win. You can disagree, but I’m pretty confident about this.
     
  15. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    EURO 2025 Qualifiers - League A groups with my current ratings

    Group A

    Netherlands 83.5
    Italy 79
    Norway 78.5
    Finland 70

    Group B

    Spain 92
    Denmark 79.5
    Belgium 76
    Czechia 65

    Group C

    France 86.5
    England 89.5
    Sweden 88.5
    Ireland 72.5

    Group D

    Germany 84.5
    Austria 77
    Iceland 75.5
    Poland 73
     
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  16. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Group A4

    Iceland 3 - 0 Poland
    Mesjasz 42'(og.), Zomers 43', Jonsdottir 66'


    Austria 2 - 3 Germany
    Campbell 9' 17' --- Buhl 39' 49', Gwinn 63'(p.)
     
  17. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    That Pajor opportunity early on in the Iceland-Poland game was insane.
     
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  18. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Yeah.. Poland has good attacking options upfront with Pajor, Kamczyk, Grabowska and Padilla-Bidas, unfortunatelly it's all for naught when first choice playmaking duo Pawollek and Achcińska are both injuried (coach Patalon is searching for DM atm) and almost all defense players were injuried during various points of last year which forced Poland to play different setup at the back each time. This team is seriously lacking cohesivness when playing from the back and the long ball has it limits.
     
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  19. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    To be honest, 3-0 looked like a severe defeat compared to how they play. It should have ended 3-2 for Iceland maybe.
     
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  20. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Even longer highlights here: (no commentary)
     
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  21. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
  22. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Group A4

    Germany ----- 2m ----- 6p ----- 6-3
    Austria -------- 2m ----- 3p ----- 5-4
    Iceland ------- 2m ----- 3p ----- 4-3
    Poland ------- 2m ----- 0p ----- 1-6


    Poland 1 - 3 Austria
    Kamczyk 55' --- Puntigam 15', Purtscheller 66', Campbell 90'+2


    Germany 3 - 1 Iceland
    Schuller 4', 34', Oberdorf 45'+3 --- Eriksdottir 23'
     
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  23. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    There's something I don't understand especially about Austria and Germany, why do they close entire stands at their home stadiums for competitive games? I went to see Austria-Norway in Sankt Polten back in December and only 2 stands out of 4 were open to the public. Now I find out that it will be a similar situation against Iceland in May despite both games being played at stadiums below 10,000 in terms of capacity.
     
  24. Irish player impresses with stunning long throw-in
    20:57, Apr. 10 2024

    Ireland's women's national team, like the men's team, has been leaving the field as losers most of the time lately.
    Still, player Megan Campbell made quite an impression this week with... a frighteningly long throw-in.
    Campbell showcased her specialty in the Girls in Green's European Championship qualifying match with England.
    She took a short run and hurled the toy into the enemy penalty area.
    It didn't result in a chance, but broadcaster ITV calculated afterwards that her throw had been no less than 38 meters far.
    Ireland nevertheless lost to the English, just as the French team had already been too strong.
     
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  25. flax

    flax Member

    Feb 8, 2012
    Sweden
    She's only been doing it for like 150 years now, the press is finally noticing :confused:
     
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