Woman refs in Men matches and foam for 10 Yards

Discussion in 'Referee' started by SoccerScout, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Woman refs in Men matches and foam

    Brazil now has on a regular basis a Trio of female refs working in big games. Last night for the first time this Trio worked in an International competition the SulAmericana in a gaes between Santos and Sao Caetano.

    They have been do very very well.

    Another Brazilian thing is the foam that the ref uses to mark the spot of a foul and wall. That also has worked great. I was saddened that Fifa didnt use it in the 02 WC. Maybe next time, because it really works.

     
  2. Agogwe

    Agogwe Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is this foam? Do they just spray it on the ground at ten yards away? I haven't heard of it before.
     
  3. AvidSinger

    AvidSinger New Member

    Sep 6, 2002
    Massachusetts
    Pretty much, yeah. It doesn't stick to the grass so it dissipates only a few seconds after the restart.
     
  4. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Yeah they wear a foam spray on their belt, its a small black container like pepper spray. The Brazilian leagues has been using it for about 3 years now.

    They usually circle where the ball should be and a line where the wall stands. Players seem to respond to this line and dont move forward as usually done without the line.
     
  5. Keep

    Keep New Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    It's foam?!?! Ahhhhh, I get it now! I'd seen them doing that from time to time and thought it was paint or chalk, but never saw any of the circles later in the match.

    How cool!

    I think it's a great idea, that's for sure.
     
  6. jc508

    jc508 New Member

    Jan 3, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio area
    I can just see it...

    Some league will next issue laser measuring devices to determine the ten yards away from the ball. Just go to where the ref thinks the 10 yards is, and then focus the laser on the ball to verify the 10 yards (9.15 meters).

    If you can't control where the wall will be set, you may not be up to handling that game!
     
  7. Agogwe

    Agogwe Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Originally posted by SoccerScout
    Players seem to respond to this line and dont move forward as usually done without the line.


    How interesting. I think it could be a good idea. I think it's funny that the players respond better to the "magic foam line" and don't cross it as often.
     
  8. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    It's a great idea...

    ...and it seems to save a bunch of time. The refs mark the stuff, the players line up, and the ball is kicked. This al seems to happen in 1/2 or 1/3 the time in most leagues.
     
  9. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    It's a great idea...

    ...and it seems to save a bunch of time. The refs mark the stuff, the players line up, and the ball is kicked. This all seems to happen in 1/2 or 1/3 the time in most leagues.
     
  10. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution; Boston Breakers
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the laser would fry a player that encroaches, you might be onto something. :)

    Why bother with a yellow card, just press the "toast" button. ;)
     
  11. Labdarugo

    Labdarugo Member

    Dec 3, 2000
    Downwind
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've seen this foam used in the Brazilian league games on FSW and it seems to work really well for the reasons mentioned above. Seems kind of odd then that it hasn't been endorsed for broader use. Maybe Herr Blatter doesn't have any personal connections in the foam business.
     
  12. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The foam also seems to speed things up a bit as less time is wasted with players trying to take kicks where they shouldn't and the ref having to spend 30 seconds or more visiting the wall to move them 2-3 times.
     
  13. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally, I prefer the method used in the EPL - give ten yards right now, or we'll advance the ball another ten yards towards the defender's goal. You rarely see encroachment now.
     
  14. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    In other leagues, I've seen the referees use some sort of yellow card that they pull out of their pocket. These cards work just as well as foam but too many referees are reluctant to use them.

    Foam is for wimps.
     
  15. Agogwe

    Agogwe Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    That method works too. :)
     
  16. DC Braveheart

    DC Braveheart Member

    D.C. United
    Scotland
    Jan 2, 2001
    Oak Hill, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I rarely watch EPL games ... do they do this? I knew there was an experiment with it a few years back, but I thought it never went anywhere (something to do with the problem of encorachment when the kick is less than 10 yards outside the PA).
     
  17. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    And yellow cards is a "manly" way to govern a match??
     
  18. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I would bet it would take a statement by FIFA that taking too much liberty w/ 10yards is unsporting behavior, a few yellow cards and then some ref's could save a bunch of money on small bottles of foam.
     
  19. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean really, how reactionary are you guys that this foam is a bad idea? How much time is wasted walking off 10 yards, turning around to make sure the ball isn't advanced, turning back around to move the wall back after they move up and maybe dishing out a card.

    Why in the world would this be a bad idea?

    I suppose the foam cannister could be as dangerous as earrings and ought to then be diallowed on the field.
     
  20. Scott Zawadzki

    Feb 18, 1999
    Midlothian, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm still waiting to see the 20-yard diameter 'hula-hoop' which will ensure that a player get 10-yards in all directions for his/her freekicks.

    Scott
     

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